Tema: Spain's Black Legend

Iniciado por Rodrigo

I just want to point out that when we mean "liberals" we don't necessarily refer to today leftists such as most US democrats, as the term is usually understood in the US. We rather mean -in historical terms- those who you would as a US citizen consider conservative heroes and defenders of christian Civilization (they were never such thing). US Founding Fathers such as George Washington or Benjamin Franklin, who are regarded there as being heroes and conservative, were in fact liberal extremists, anticatholic freemasons and pioneers of this New World Order (Novus Ordo Seclorum), the consequences of which we are suffering. This must be hard to admit by a US patriot, but that's just how it is. I admit that their revolution (to which we Spaniards unfortunatelly contributed) was better than the French one and not so bloody, but it still was the beginning of this liberal, secular, anti-Church and anti-God political parties system they want to impose upon every single country in the world, which ended up violently with our traditional catholic Monarchies.

You seem to be confusing the Founding Fathers as being a pack of atheistic jackals, which I can assure you sir they were not. I've read the private writings of Washington several times and, while not a member of the Catholic/Christian faith as you might understand it, he was no infidel. Washington had a very deep belief in God and held deistic views. Christian deism is largely an outgrowth of the English mind- the sort of deism that you see in France is due to its rejection of Christianity (especially Catholicism).


Sir, what makes you think America's Founders thought that they were defending Christendom? Only some neoconservative evangelical idiot believes this; they were fighting to be rid of the tyranny of the British monarchy and not to defend the Christian religion.

Do you consider Washington et al. to be liberal extremists simply becaused they refused to bow to a king? Or that they said that the people, guided by laws and common sense (with the blessings of the Almighty and Providence), are sovereign over any monarch or pople or tyrant? I largely spit on the Brits to this day because my ancestors were advised to avoid "English mannerisms," which the colonial English-Americans equated to effeminate behavior.