Búsqueda avanzada de temas en el foro

Resultados 1 al 9 de 9

Tema: No english children in London

  1. #1
    Avatar de Juan del Águila
    Juan del Águila está desconectado Jainko-Sorterri-Foruak-Errege
    Fecha de ingreso
    13 abr, 06
    Ubicación
    España
    Mensajes
    1,020
    Post Thanks / Like

    No english children in London

    This is obscene. And they keep calling this suicide "immigration" and "changes". Fucking madness, I'm gonna puke.

    English-speaking pupils are a minority in inner-city London primary schools

    Children who speak English as their first language are now a minority in inner-city London primary schools, official figures showed yesterday.

    Youngsters with a different mother tongue form a majority in primaries in 13 out of 33 London boroughs and in nearby Slough.

    In inner London, 54 per cent of primary pupils and 48.5 per cent in secondary institutions do not speak English as their first language. This amounts to an astonishing 159,340 children.

    Across the country, English is a foreign language to more than one in seven primary youngsters - almost half a million.

    The figures from the Department for Children, Schools and Families point to the major demographic changes over the past few decades. Around a fifth of pupils are from ethnic minorities - up from 11 per cent in 1997.

    There are concerns that school finances are under strain as growing numbers of youngsters require help with English.

    Heads' leaders have urged the Government to fund schools adequately and give fair treatment during inspections to those with large concentrations of non-English speakers.

    The figures show there are 14 council areas in which primary children with English as their second language are in the majority - 13 London boroughs and Slough.

    In Tower Hamlets almost four out of five youngsters do not have English as their mother tongue. In other areas, including Leicester, Luton and Bradford the proportion is approaching 50 per cent.

    For primaries overall, 15.2 per cent are non-native English speakers - up from 14.4 per cent last year.

    The figures indicate that many recent migrants have settled in London. The lowest populations of youngsters with English as a second language are in the South West and North East.

    Sir Andrew Green, of the Migrationwatch think-tank, said: 'These figures confirm the huge impact immigration is having on our society.

    When Government funds are as tight as they are, this is bound to have a negative impact as children with English as an additional language will need extra tuition.'

    He added: 'In inner London it's hard to know who immigrant children are supposed to integrate with since they heavily outnumber local children.'

    The figures reflect a five-fold increase in immigration since Labour came to power. Net immigration has increased from 48,000 in 1997 to 237,000 in 2007.

    A DCSF spokesman stressed that the figures 'only indicate the language to which the child was initially exposed at home, irrespective of whether they speak English fluently later on. It is only a relatively few recent arrivals for whom communication problems are acute.'

    'We are increasing funding in the Ethnic Minority Achievement Grant to £206 million by 2010, to bring students weak in English up to speed. We also equip schools to offer effective English as an Additional Language teaching for new arrivals.'

    Yesterday's figures also showed that the recession has brought the first rise in four years in the number of children qualifying for free school meals.

  2. #2
    Avatar de El Chicano
    El Chicano está desconectado Miembro graduado
    Fecha de ingreso
    11 dic, 08
    Ubicación
    Los Ángeles
    Mensajes
    65
    Post Thanks / Like

    Respuesta: No english children in London

    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje
    This is obscene. And they keep calling this suicide "immigration" and "changes". Fucking madness, I'm gonna puke.
    I didn't know that this was a "white power" website. I thought the point of this forum was to discuss issues related to Hispanic cultures, traditions, history, etc.

    My mistake obviously.

  3. #3
    Avatar de Juan del Águila
    Juan del Águila está desconectado Jainko-Sorterri-Foruak-Errege
    Fecha de ingreso
    13 abr, 06
    Ubicación
    España
    Mensajes
    1,020
    Post Thanks / Like

    Respuesta: No english children in London

    Cita Iniciado por El Chicano Ver mensaje
    I didn't know that this was a "white power" website. I thought the point of this forum was to discuss issues related to Hispanic cultures, traditions, history, etc.

    My mistake obviously.
    This is probably the most stupid and absurd statement I've read the last two or three weeks. In my case, taking into account the huge number of stupid statements I've got to read just in one day, that's to say a lot.

    If what you take for "hispanismo" is the active pursuing of the minorization, identity destruction and dispossession of european populations in the very same Europe then yes, then it's obviously your mistake.

  4. #4
    Avatar de El Chicano
    El Chicano está desconectado Miembro graduado
    Fecha de ingreso
    11 dic, 08
    Ubicación
    Los Ángeles
    Mensajes
    65
    Post Thanks / Like

    Respuesta: No english children in London

    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje
    This is probably the most stupid and absurd statement I've read the last two or three weeks. In my case, taking into account the huge number of stupid statements I've got to read just in one day, that's to say a lot.
    Not necessarily. Let's break this down logically, shall we?

    1. London is not Hispanic.
    2. England is not Hispanic.
    3. The United Kingdom is not Hispanic.
    4. The vast and overwhelming majority of immigrants arriving in the UK are not of Hispanic origin, nor do they speak Spanish. In fact, they are not connected with the Hispanic world in any way shape or form.

    So how on earth is this connected with hispanismo? Had you mentioned your concern with immigration in Spain, I would understand - since that obviously has ramifications on Spain's future.

    Instead, you focus on the relative decline of the white population in the United Kingdom and, in other posts, of the United States. The latter, I might add, has nothing to do with hispanismo either. If there existed a white majority in Timbuktu that was becoming a minority, I'm sure you'd mentioned that too.

    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje
    If what you take for "hispanismo" is the active pursuing of the minorization, identity destruction and dispossession of european populations in the very same Europe then yes, then it's obviously your mistake.
    Basically you're saying "A is not B, ergo A is C." I never said that hispanismo is the destruction of the European identity, etc. Don't misconstrue my point.

  5. #5
    Avatar de Juan del Águila
    Juan del Águila está desconectado Jainko-Sorterri-Foruak-Errege
    Fecha de ingreso
    13 abr, 06
    Ubicación
    España
    Mensajes
    1,020
    Post Thanks / Like

    Respuesta: No english children in London

    You haven't had any point till that last post. Until then, all your "point" was this:

    I didn't know that this was a "white power" website. I thought the point of this forum was to discuss issues related to Hispanic cultures, traditions, history, etc.

    My mistake obviously.
    This was your whole "point". Do you want logic? Let's start talking about what sort of senseless statements you consider to be valid arguments.

    I've been studying, following and promoting the awareness about the demographic disaster of european populations for years. You can try a quick search in the database of Hispanismo for the tens of articles I've posted here. And, of course, I'll keep doing it cause it's the only moral stand about the topic. Period.

    I don't know if you have realised that this forum have several subfora not directly related with the hispanic world. Maybe this fact could be puzzling to you but, you'll see, hispanistas are not disconnected from the outside world, nor is there any un-written law against discussing important issues which affect some of us so strikingly.

    Let's see some fora that, in your wise opinion, don't deserve to exist in Hispanismo:

    Europa(This is our main "white supremacist" forum, but there are others too. It's our little "Stormfront".)

    Resto del mundo(Here we discuss the fate of our brothers of Timbuktu)

    Italiano(Italian speakers' forum. But we only allow them to write about strictly hispanic topics, of course...)

    Français(A plainly similar case. Well, to be true it must be said that it's devoted to some extent to french neo-pagan philo-nazism)

    Let's set aside some highlighted links such as Irish Nationalism or Massimo Morsello, you know, the well known hispanista...

    If you want to build a posteriori case to support your stupid outburst I have to notify you your epic fail. Sorry. But if you really believe, along with the cultural left, that european peoples are the only part of the whole human race that mustn't be allowed to express the humblest in-group concern then, clearly, Hispanismo is not the right place to you to roam about. If you are looking for supremacism you can go here or here, where maybe you will feel far better off. You know: they are true gung-ho hispanistas, clinging passionately to Catholicism, Spain, spanish language, Cristopher Columbus, european settlers... Wonderful people those you can find in the "brown supremacist" crowd. When they know that you are a spaniard they can show so much warmth...

  6. #6
    Avatar de El Chicano
    El Chicano está desconectado Miembro graduado
    Fecha de ingreso
    11 dic, 08
    Ubicación
    Los Ángeles
    Mensajes
    65
    Post Thanks / Like

    Respuesta: No english children in London

    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje

    I've been studying, following and promoting the awareness about the demographic disaster of european populations for years. You can try a quick search in the database of Hispanismo for the tens of articles I've posted here. And, of course, I'll keep doing it cause it's the only moral stand about the topic. Period.
    The only moral stand? By whose standards? Last time I checked pretty much everyone here is Catholic. Now, need I remind you that: 1) The word "catholic" means universal, 2) Racism is NOT permitted in Catholicism.

    Also you mention the "demographic disaster" - I live here in the USA and I don't see ANY demographic disaster in the USA. Yes, the new immigrants are not white. So what? They are blending in astonishingly fast with few problems (at least when compared to the last great wave of immigration which lasted until the 1920s).

    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje
    I don't know if you have realised that this forum have several subfora not directly related with the hispanic world. Maybe this fact could be puzzling to you but, you'll see, hispanistas are not disconnected from the outside world, nor is there any un-written law against discussing important issues which affect some of us so strikingly.
    Great. Does that mean I should start posting about the stock market because that "affects some of us so strikingly"? Migration into England does NOT affect hispanos directly, unless of course your basis of association is "white" rather than "hispano". Obviously you care more about the "white" part than the "hispano" part.


    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje


    Resto del mundo(Here we discuss the fate of our brothers of Timbuktu)
    This is what I don't understand. Why the heck does someone being white make them your "brother"? I don't know about you, I prefer to focus the linguistic/cultural. Obviously there are hispanos of all colors and races (Germanic, criollo, mestizo, mulatto, zambo, indio, etc....) and in my eyes they are all equally "hispano".

    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje
    Italiano(Italian speakers' forum. But we only allow them to write about strictly hispanic topics, of course...)

    Français(A plainly similar case. Well, to be true it must be said that it's devoted to some extent to french neo-pagan philo-nazism)
    I think it can be reasonably argued on the basis that the French and Italians, being descendants of a Latin/Mediterranean culture and being Catholic, have cultures that fall within the same "family" as Spain. England, in my opinion, does not.

    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje
    But if you really believe, along with the cultural left, that european peoples are the only part of the whole human race that mustn't be allowed to express the humblest in-group concern
    Who said that European peoples don't have the right to be concerned about themselves? I think Spaniards should be worried about immigration. The only difference is that I don't think race (or skin color) is a big issue. If there is going to be immigration, then there are some main criteria that should be followed:

    1. Qualifications of the immigrant. Is the person being let in qualified or educated? Is he a criminal or a law-abiding citizen?

    2. Does the host country even need the immigrants?

    3. What groups of people are most likely to blend into the host society without problems?

    I frankly don't care what skin color the immigrant has. There have been Chinese and (East) Indians who have emigrated to Mexico - and they have fit in perfectly fine.


    Cita Iniciado por Juan del Águila Ver mensaje
    If you are looking for supremacism you can go here or here, where maybe you will feel far better off. You know: they are true gung-ho hispanistas, clinging passionately to Catholicism, Spain, spanish language, Cristopher Columbus, european settlers... Wonderful people those you can find in the "brown supremacist" crowd. When they know that you are a spaniard they can show so much warmth...
    Juan, irony is sweet (not to mention hilarious). The La Raza crowd is taking the same position as you: that they are the indigenous peoples who have been invaded by foreigners. The only difference is that in your case the whites are victims and browns are the perpetrators, while they believe the inverse. How interesting!

    And for the record: I find the "brown supremacist" argument to be as stupid as the "white supremacist" one.

  7. #7
    Avatar de Hyeronimus
    Hyeronimus está desconectado Miembro Respetado
    Fecha de ingreso
    16 ene, 07
    Mensajes
    20,520
    Post Thanks / Like

    Respuesta: No english children in London

    I don't think Juan is a racist or a white supremacist, since he is a Traditionalist Catholic. He's only concerned, as many of us, about the demographical and cultural substitution that is taking place in Europe right now. Our Western Christian culture is rapidly dissapearing. It's not like when we took the true religion and Western civilization to the Americas, and we didn't mind mixing with the Indians. It's the other way around. Europe is not improving with it, it's in decadence, while moslems, gypsies and some of the worst elements from South America are gradually taking over. I don't mean to say that all of them are necessarily bad guys, but it's creating problems that you don't have over there and that's why you don't understand. Plus moslems are a fith column among us. We know it well. That's why we had to expell the moriscos in 1609. And of course, it's a big concern if a foreign language becomes the majority language in England or elsewere. (It's not the same case with Spanish in the States: the Hispanics are in a way getting back their territory).

  8. #8
    Avatar de El Chicano
    El Chicano está desconectado Miembro graduado
    Fecha de ingreso
    11 dic, 08
    Ubicación
    Los Ángeles
    Mensajes
    65
    Post Thanks / Like

    Respuesta: No english children in London

    Cita Iniciado por Hyeronimus Ver mensaje
    I don't think Juan is a racist or a white supremacist, since he is a Traditionalist Catholic.
    If Juan isn't a racist, then I owe it to him to apologize for my outburst above. The "tone" of his commentaries suggest otherwise, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Cita Iniciado por Hyeronimus Ver mensaje
    He's only concerned, as many of us, about the demographical and cultural substitution that is taking place in Europe right now. Our Western Christian culture is rapidly dissapearing.
    There is a crisis occurring in Western Civilization (particularly in Europe) right now. I think we are all in agreement on that point.

    I think where we disagree is that I do not see a demographic element to the crisis. Yes there are many newcomers arriving on Europe's shores every day. There are also many newcomers coming to the US. Yet the US has very little troubling assimilating its immigrants, while Europe has trouble doing so.

    Why? It has nothing to do with skin color. America's immigrants are as brown as Europe's. My personal thesis is that this occurs because immigrants are given the opportunity to assimilate, heavily encouraged to do so, and there is tremendous social pressure do "Americanize". A second generation Chinese or Brazilian is just as American as a fourth generation Irish-German-English American.

    Europe, on the other hand, does not encourage assimilation. For example, if I move to Norway and have a child there, he will NEVER be considered Norwegian even if he speaks perfect Norwegian and behaves and acts like any other Norwegian. His lack of Norwegian ancestry will be enough to disqualify him.

    If I may inteject something personal here: I have spoken to many Colombians (and other Hispanos) who have been to Spain and most of them have mentioned that they personally experienced racism in Spain. When I asked them about racism in the USA, virtually all of them said "none" or "very little". I don't know how true this is - I was certainly treated very well when I went to Spain, and the Spaniards that I've met were generally good people; but then again being a tourist vs. being a resident are two totally different things. If that is the case, I think we can identify a portion of the immigration problem right there.

    If Europe won't encourage them to assimilate (or doesn't even want them to assimilate), how can they assimilate?
    Última edición por El Chicano; 24/09/2009 a las 22:33

  9. #9
    Avatar de El Chicano
    El Chicano está desconectado Miembro graduado
    Fecha de ingreso
    11 dic, 08
    Ubicación
    Los Ángeles
    Mensajes
    65
    Post Thanks / Like

    Respuesta: No english children in London

    Libros antiguos y de colección en IberLibro
    Cita Iniciado por El Chicano Ver mensaje
    If Juan isn't a racist, then I owe it to him to apologize for my outburst above.
    Juan, I've been thinking about this for the last couple of days.

    I do owe you an apology. My original comment was ill-timed and sarcastic. Also, it was wrong for me to jump to an a priori conclusion about your post or your intentions.

    So please accept this as an apology.

Información de tema

Usuarios viendo este tema

Actualmente hay 1 usuarios viendo este tema. (0 miembros y 1 visitantes)

Temas similares

  1. Necesito ayuda. (Leyenda negra)
    Por mazadelizana en el foro Tertúlia
    Respuestas: 78
    Último mensaje: 15/11/2017, 02:17
  2. Top 10 myths and muddles about the Spanish Armada
    Por Hyeronimus en el foro English
    Respuestas: 3
    Último mensaje: 14/05/2013, 12:02
  3. Myth and Reality: The Legacy of Spain in America
    Por Lo ferrer en el foro English
    Respuestas: 0
    Último mensaje: 22/07/2009, 17:14
  4. Respuestas: 0
    Último mensaje: 09/07/2009, 02:17
  5. Fr. Castellani in english
    Por Ordóñez en el foro English
    Respuestas: 0
    Último mensaje: 11/03/2009, 16:05

Permisos de publicación

  • No puedes crear nuevos temas
  • No puedes responder temas
  • No puedes subir archivos adjuntos
  • No puedes editar tus mensajes
  •