The Irish – more Spanish than Celtic?

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The Irish – more Spanish than Celtic?

by starling on December 29, 2006


Scientists have concluded that the Celts did not invade Ireland en masse, nor did they replace an earlier group.

Despite the widely held belief that the Irish are descended from Celts who invaded Ireland about 2,500 years ago, a 2004 genetic research study at Trinity College, Dublin (TCD) appears to argue against it.


The Celtic cultural heritage in Ireland is prolific and informs the common perceptions and beliefs about the national identity and its origins. From traditional cultural sources in language, legend and literature the Celtic influence is strong and can also be found in contemporary culture such as Enya and the Afro Celt Sound System. The research however suggests that our blood if not also some (at least) of our culture can or should be attributed to wider origins: Spain, Portugal, Scandinavia and North Africa.

The study, conducted by Dr. Dan Bradley and Brian McEvoy, a Ph.D student conducted this genetic study with the support of the Irish government to determine “whether there was a large incursion by Celtic people 2,500 years ago” as is widely believed.

The scientists compared the DNA samples of 200 volunteers from around Ireland with a genetic database of 8,500 individuals from around Europe. (The Celts came from Central Europe stretching as far as Hungary).

They found that the Irish samples matched those around Britain and the Pyrenees in Spain. There were some matches in Scandinavia and parts of North Africa.

The scientists concluded that ‘the Irish’ genetic makeup stems from the onset of an ice-age around 15,000 years ago that forced prehistoric man back into Spain, Italy and Greece, which were still fairly temperate. When the ice started melting again around 12,000 years ago, people followed the retreating ice northwards as areas became hospitable again.

The TCD study produced a map of Europe with contours linking places that are genetically similar. One contour goes around the edge of the Atlantic touching Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and includes Galicia in Spain as well as the Basque region.

Some archaeologists also doubt that there was a Celtic invasion because few of their artifacts have been found in Ireland.

“The primary genetic legacy of Ireland seems to have come from people from Spain and Portugal after the last ice age.â€� said McEvoy. “They seem to have come up along the coast through Western Europe and arrived in Ireland, Scotland and Wales. It’s not due to something that happened 2,500 years ago with Celts.â€� We have a much older genetic legacy.

The findings are published in The American Journal of Human Genetics at the University of Chicago.

Does this finally help explain the ‘dark Irish’ phenomenon?

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Poor Nationalist Galicians, their project has been turned upside down...

Truly the Irish and Hispanic peoples share a common ancestry! I hope you enjoy this fascinating series of videos from Pat Flannery that examines the cultural, economic, and spiritual links between these two great peoples that have together contributed so much to Western Catholic Civilization.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taOuzROhiVc

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You know, if the REAL Milesian were to surf these web pages, he might invoke copyright ;)

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You know, if the REAL Milesian were to surf these web pages, he might invoke copyright ;)

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I think you will be interested in this information about Alejandro O'Reilly. Here is the link:
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You know, if the REAL Milesian were to surf these web pages, he might invoke copyright ;)

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My apologies for the oversight. I was so fascinated by the content of the sites and so eager to post them on this forum that I didn't study the copyright rules. No malice or disrespect was intended. For future postings from these or other sites I will be sure to invoke copyright.

Erin go Bragh & Viva la Hispanidad

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I think you will be interested in this information about Alejandro O'Reilly. Here is the link:
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Yes, he had an impressive career indeed,
Thanks for the link.

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My apologies for the oversight. I was so fascinated by the content of the sites and so eager to post them on this forum that I didn't study the copyright rules. No malice or disrespect was intended. For future postings from these or other sites I will be sure to invoke copyright.

Erin go Bragh & Viva la Hispanidad

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Hehe, no harm done. Just my strange sense of humour :)

No worries Alejandro! My cousins in Galway, County Clare and Boston have a very similar sense of humor:D

wow this is amazing!, now I now why there are so many similar things between the north of Spain and Irish and even Scotish, are we all from the same family? LOL

There is unquestionably a connection!
Below are images of Irish and Irish-Americans who could easily pass as Northern Spanish or Portuguese.
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This is a very interesting article about the Irish Captain Johnny O’Brien, and his great contribution to the Cuba War of Independence. I was aware of those expeditions, but didn’t know that an Irish Captain was in command of the expeditionary ships.

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John Dynamite: Marine Mambí [1]

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By José Antonio Quintana García

Translated by David Barnwell

As is known, one of the reasons for the failure of Cuba’s Ten Years’ War against the Spanish colonial power (1868-1878) was the small number of expeditions to land on the Cuban coast with military supplies for the Liberation Army. The Cuban revolutionary leadership in exile was aware of this, and from 24 February 1895, the date on which the independence struggle broke out for a second time, it assigned priority to the task of importing supplies for the revolutionary forces. Efforts were concentrated in the United States and came mainly from among the tobacco workers, though other elements of the Cuban émigre population were involved to a lesser extent. To make the enterprise more effective, an Expeditionary Department was created, with a constitution approved on 2 August 1896. Colonel Emilio Núñez was placed at its head.

Link: http://www.irlandeses.org/0711quintana1.htm

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Well, I think there's another question on this matter that needs an answer of anthropology (Valmadian, I don't really know if you have already addressed this subject here in the forum, forgive me if you did). That question is: were the ancient celts so much pale, blond or read headed, as it's commonly said?

Even if they were at the start, I believe that after such a long journey of migration, conquest and settlement, that the celts had probably been through a big deal of morphology changes, apart from the more natural cultural changes. I also believe that the celts of Bretagne could be rather different than the celts from Ireland, for instance.

According to my knowledge of history, no significant iberian presence ever took place in the north-west of the Iberian Peninsula, from where all of my known ancestors were; and yet, I'm as blond as the dark night, as a vast majority of modern galicians and portuguese are. Even considering that the genes responsible for clear eyes and hair are recessive, nothing explains such lack of supposed celtic influence in these peoples modern look... and the same goes for Eire...

We should be careful in our definitions.
"Celtic" is purely a cultural distinction. Even back in classical and pre-historic times, the Celts were likely not one homogenous tribe but rather various peoples linked by a common culture, common language, common society and religious practices. In other words, they were Celtic because they belonged to a Celtic culture.
There is no Celtic morphological type just as there is no Celtic gene.

The Irish and Spanish are genetically very similar. This does not preclude either from being Celtic though.
Not all of Iberia was Celtic but some of it was, just as Ireland was not always Celtic but became some in time.
Being Celtic doesn't mean a tribe called the Celts came and took possession of the land. It meant that people settled who were Celts because they brought Celtic culture with them. That is what makes a people Celtic.

So yes, being Celtic does link Iberian and Hibernia.
But there is more to it than even that. It goes even further back to beyond Celtic societies (although in fact the Irish Q-Celtic language likely arrived from Iberia as opposed to the P-Celtic of the Britons which was likely related to Gaulish). Personally I am proud of my Celtic heritage. But I realise the links most likely reach back to the first modern humans in Europe. The link is an exceedingly ancient one, which has still not wholly faded but lingers on in an appreciation and respect among each of these ancient peoples for the other.

Hm, I have Irish ancestry in part. So does this make me an honorary Spaniard? :P

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We should be careful in our definitions.
"Celtic" is purely a cultural distinction. Even back in classical and pre-historic times, the Celts were likely not one homogenous tribe but rather various peoples linked by a common culture, common language, common society and religious practices. In other words, they were Celtic because they belonged to a Celtic culture.
There is no Celtic morphological type just as there is no Celtic gene.

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It makes perfect sense to me now. Thank you for putting it so clearly.

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Hm, I have Irish ancestry in part. So does this make me an honorary Spaniard? :P

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These days, to be an honorary spaniard (or an honorary portuguese for that matter) it's quite enough if you are a true catholic.:) For unbelievable it may seem, we're lacking them here...

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It makes perfect sense to me now. Thank you for putting it so clearly.

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Go ndéana a mhaith duit :)

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Go ndéana a mhaith duit :)

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:confused:The same for you too:)... Gaelic is a total shambles to me, eheheh

"These days, to be an honorary spaniard (or an honorary portuguese for that matter) it's quite enough if you are a true catholic.:) For unbelievable it may seem, we're lacking them here..."

I was raised as a Protestant (Methodist) in New York State in the U.S.A. I an Anglo Americano, not a Hispano...

But, I met.... someone from Andalusia, who made me interested in true Catholicism. Tradismo? Prior to this, I just thought of Catholicism as little better than Methodism (a joke) in the U.S.A.

Now, I'm also interested in the language, history, and culture of Espana.. Especially how it pertains to the U.S.A.

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"These days, to be an honorary spaniard (or an honorary portuguese for that matter) it's quite enough if you are a true catholic.:) For unbelievable it may seem, we're lacking them here..."
I was raised as a Protestant (Methodist) in New York State in the U.S.A. I an Anglo Americano, not a Hispano...

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So sorry, you failed to qualify... :toyfeliz:just kidding ya...
In truth, to be a catholic is the first and strongest part of being hispanic; all of the culture, all of the hispanic way of life is rooted in the catholic faith; when I return to Portugal after being abroad, I know I'm back home when I see the white, clay roofed villages, when I hear the Church bell ringing the "Trindades" and when I smell grilled sardines, walking the street...

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But, I met.... someone from Andalusia, who made me interested in true Catholicism. Tradismo? Prior to this, I just thought of Catholicism as little better than Methodism (a joke) in the U.S.A.

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I didn't mean to imply that "true Catholicism" equals catholic traditionalism... rather, that a true catholic is a honest and coherent one, particularly when it comes to assume that condition in life... on the matter of Catholicism being better than protestantism, I think that faith is not a question of picking up the best religion available in the market, is a question of searching inside of you for what you really believe.

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Now, I'm also interested in the language, history, and culture of Espana.. Especially how it pertains to the U.S.A.

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There's a big deal of relation, I can tell you that: Florida, Texas, New Mexico, California, etc, etc... there's loads of things waiting for you to discover them; I'd start for the simple things if I were you... like tortilla de patata, for example:toyfeliz:

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So sorry, you failed to qualify... :toyfeliz:just kidding ya...
I didn't mean to imply that "true Catholicism" equals catholic traditionalism... rather, that a true catholic is a honest and coherent one, particularly when it comes to assume that condition in life... on the matter of Catholicism being better than protestantism, I think that faith is not a question of picking up the best religion available in the market, is a question of searching inside of you for what you really believe.

There's a big deal of relation, I can tell you that: Florida, Texas, New Mexico, California, etc, etc... there's loads of things waiting for you to discover them; I'd start for the simple things if I were you... like tortilla de patata, for example:toyfeliz:

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I suppose we had a bit of a misunderstanding then, but no big deal. :) My interest in Catholicism is sort of twofold: from an academic standpoint and as a possible, but not guaranteed, replacement for my lapsed Protestant beliefs. As I said, my encounters with Catholicism in the U.S.A. have left me more or less feeling underwhelmed. Expecting, say, Tridentine Mass and whanot, only to find a service little different, but more showy, than a typical Protestant service-- Kind of made me guess again, but I'm not exactly going to say that this turns me off of Catholicism completely.

As to how Espana ties into the U.S.A., let me just give a name that most Americans have never heard of: Bernardo de Galvez. :)

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As I said, my encounters with Catholicism in the U.S.A. have left me more or less feeling underwhelmed.

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I don't envy you. Liturgical abuse is far from uncommon since the Second Vatican Council, but from what I've seen the Church in the USA is particularly haywire.
Some of the "Masses" that I've read about or even seen there defy words.

However, I know there are a number of traditionlist communities there which are growing fast.
It seems as the liberal congregations are leaking members, those returning to the traditions are going from strength to strength.
You might be able to check who is now doing the Extraordinary Form and who is more traditionally minded from these guys - Una Voce America » Chapters

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Expecting, say, Tridentine Mass and whanot, only to find a service little different, but more showy, than a typical Protestant service-- Kind of made me guess again, but I'm not exactly going to say that this turns me off of Catholicism completely.

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I wouldn't blame you if it did. I know it has little appeal for me.
I believe some of the worst offenders of the Novus Ordo type are further from Catholicism than some of the more conservative Anglican and Lutheran services.

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I don't envy you. Liturgical abuse is far from uncommon since the Second Vatican Council, but from what I've seen the Church in the USA is particularly haywire.
Some of the "Masses" that I've read about or even seen there defy words.

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As I've said, the masses that I've gone to over here seem little better to me than Protestant services. I wasn't really impressed and I haven't gone back.

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However, I know there are a number of traditionlist communities there which are growing fast.
It seems as the liberal congregations are leaking members, those returning to the traditions are going from strength to strength.
You might be able to check who is now doing the Extraordinary Form and who is more traditionally minded from these guys - Una Voce America » Chapters

I wouldn't blame you if it did. I know it has little appeal for me.
I believe some of the worst offenders of the Novus Ordo type are further from Catholicism than some of the more conservative Anglican and Lutheran services.

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I only know of one church in my hometown where the Latin Mass is given but there're a plethora or "normal" Catholic churches. I don't live too far from two, to be exact. Quite honestly, Catholic churches seem to be a dime per dozen in the U.S.A., not to dump on the Church itself, but I have to wonder if the proliferation of Catholicism in the country has to do with the liberalized doctrines of Vatican II.

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There's a big deal of relation, I can tell you that: Florida, Texas, New Mexico, California, etc, etc... there's loads of things waiting for you to discover them; I'd start for the simple things if I were you... like tortilla de patata, for example

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Truly the Hispanic Catholic influence is ubiquitous across the United States. Vibrant intact missions founded by the Spanish in the 16-1700 from Southern Texas to Northern California celebrate Masses to this day. From Portuguese linguiça and sweet bread that can be found in virtually every supermarket in the Northeast to Basque festivals in remote cities such as Boise ID, Ely NV and Yuma AZ. I've always wanted to take a drive down the Old Spanish Trail from San Diego CA to the oldest city in our nation St Augustine FL. The Mississippi River was initially named by Hernando DeSoto "River of the Holy Spirit" and then later it was called River of the Immaculate Conception by Marquette. Our national capital is surrounded by VIRGINia & MARYland. Our second largest city Los Angeles was originally called Nuestra Señora Reina de todos los Angeles , Alta California. LA is actually named after Our Lady Queen of the Angels, we should return it to the original name! Also we are the largest Christian denomination in this USA. If only we collectively returned and embraced our ancient faith how much more blessed this nation and the world would become.


Below are some interesting links:
Spirit Daily - Daily spiritual news from around the world

Our Lady of America

The Irish Presence in the History and Place Names of Cuba
http://www.irlandeses.org/0711fernandezmoya4.htm

By Rafael Fernández Moya

IV

Upon the US American general Thomas Jordan’s arrival, who was named Chief of the High Command and later Head of the Liberation Army in the Camagüey region, W. O’Ryan was named inspector and chief of cavalry, before attaining the rank of general. He was sent on a mission to the United States, from where he set out to return to Cuba at the end of October 1873. He sailed aboard the American steamship Virginius as part of the leadership of an expedition also led by the generals Bernabé Varona Borrero (Bembeta) and Pedro Céspedes Castillo, as well as the colonel Jesús del Sol.

The Virginius was captured by the Spanish warship Tornado off Cuban waters and was towed into the bay of Santiago de Cuba on 1 December. Five days later, by order of the Spanish authorities, all the leaders of the revolutionary expedition were executed, O’Ryan among them. On 7 December the ship’s captain, Joseph Fry, and 36 members of the crew, were executed, causing a diplomatic and political conflict between Spain and the United States. In honour of the independence fighter O’Ryan a street of the Sagarra subdivision in Santiago de Cuba was given his name.

Rafael Fernández Moya
Notes
[1] The author is a Specialist in Commercial Management at the tourist company Habaguanex, and in the Historian’s Office of Havana.

It's incredible! Everywhere you look in the Hispanic world the Irish are there! From Imperial governors such as Juan O'Donojú/O'Donahue, to revolutionaries (Bernardo O'Higgins), to warriors (San Patricio Battalion) and Irish chieftains who were exiled in Spain. Also the Irish educators and religious who have quietly contributed so much to Spain and Hispanic America.

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I suppose we had a bit of a misunderstanding then, but no big deal. :) My interest in Catholicism is sort of twofold: from an academic standpoint and as a possible, but not guaranteed, replacement for my lapsed Protestant beliefs. As I said, my encounters with Catholicism in the U.S.A. have left me more or less feeling underwhelmed. Expecting, say, Tridentine Mass and whanot, only to find a service little different, but more showy, than a typical Protestant service-- Kind of made me guess again, but I'm not exactly going to say that this turns me off of Catholicism completely.

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Interesting. I have been to a Tridentine Mass that was done at a typical parish Church on one occasion. However it was really just done for curiosity sake. It was followed by a grand reception with heavy Hors d'œuvres, cider and champagne and then it was never done again. Also I have been to a very simple parish where a very holy Novos Ordo Mass takes place everyday. It is almost completely celebrated in Latin, incense is used, the Eucharist is received at the rail, and the church is only illuminated by candlelight during the Consecration. It was easy to see why so many vocations were originating from that particular parish. Also it was nice to see the mantillas instead of the short shorts and tight fitting jeans on the ladies.

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There's a big deal of relation, I can tell you that: Florida, Texas, New Mexico, California, etc, etc... there's loads of things waiting for you to discover them; I'd start for the simple things if I were you... like tortilla de patata, for example

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Tortilla de Patata
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Boxty (Irish Potato Pancake)
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Irish Beef Pies
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Empanada
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Irish Stew
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Caldo Gallego
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I've got to say that some of this looks quite appetizing.:cool:

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I've got to say that some of this looks quite appetizing.:cool:

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Next time you grill some meat top it off with some Chimichurri sauce. Which interestingly is said to have been invented by Irish-Argentine soldier Jimmy McCurry.

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		Excellent article from our friend Pat Flannery about how the Irish integrated excellently into Hispanic San Diego,California! Pat Flannery on the Web
		Cita: Scholars have long regarded Irish immigrants in America as a wretched lot, forced by powers beyond their control to emigrate to a country where they ultimately lived in squalid conditions, surrounded by poverty and despair. They portray the Irish immigrant as an urban dweller who could not make a niche for himself in American society until the second or third generation. This limited picture of the Irish experience in America fails to recognize that a substantial number of Irish immigrants did not remain among the squalor of New York or Boston, but suffered the hardships and reaped the fruits of the American frontier. Overlooked as part of the Irish Diaspora in America, the West presented many opportunities to the Irish who could endure the harsh conditions of the frontier. Dispersed throughout the Midwest and Western states, these immigrants had the opportunity to make an impact on their environment, rather than be acted upon by forces beyond their control. Unlike their eastern counterparts, the Irish who settled in the West managed to grow rapidly beyond the hunger and despair of famine-ridden Ireland to shape the development of the third largest state in the Union, California. From the first Irishman to visit the breathtaking coast of Santa Barbara in 1795, to the powerful and well-respected Irish rancheros in the San Francisco area and the Irish contractor who developed many of the first roads in San Diego, the Celtic presence is seen in many aspects of California’s development. Those Irish men and women who opted to settle the California frontier did not, however, leave a legacy of “Irishness” as did those who struggled in the eastern cities. Instead, they embraced the existing cultures and strove for the greater good of the entire community, especially in San Diego where the need for a separate and distinct Irish community did not exist. Those who braved the trans-Atlantic journey and the cross-country trek to settle on America's West Coast did not do so in order to create an Irish community on the Pacific Ocean. They did so in order to build a better life for themselves and their progeny, as well as contribute to the development of America’s newest state. Many Irish achievements in California, particularly southern California and San Diego, have been overlooked, however. Irish contributions to the development of “America’s Finest City” are all but ignored in San Diego history. Research shows that several of the prominent figures in Old Town and around San Diego County during the early American period hailed from the Emerald Isle. Local newspapers touted their achievements and fellow citizens recognized their names and faces as neighbors and friends, not as immigrants and outcasts, as Easterners viewed those of Celtic origin. Perhaps the influence of the Irish settlers in Southern California during the mid-to late-1800s has been overlooked precisely because of their integration and assimilation into the communities in which they lived. Many of the immigrants adopted so many of the local Mexican and Spanish customs that their lifestyles became indistinguishable from the “native” population. In some cases, the immigrants changed their Irish names in favor of the Spanish counterpart. Don Timoteo Murphy, a.k.a. Timothy Murphy, Juan Murray, a.k.a. John Murray, and Andrés Cassidy, a.k.a. Andrew Cassidy are just a few examples. This reflected the willingness on the part of the Irish in Southern California to adapt to their new environment and the ability of the locals to absorb newcomers. In San Diego, the Irish immigrants became important members of the community. They integrated into the community with ease partially because of the similarities between themselves and the Mexicans. Both were newly admitted to the United States, and both understood the trial of being an outcast in one's own land. The Mexicanos and the Irish shared a similar culture, rich in music, family life and religion. The latter similarity was crucial at a time when most Americans, particularly on the East Coast, embraced Anglo-Protestant customs. This sect of society viewed Catholics, notably the Irish Catholics, with suspicion and disdain. In southern California, however, Catholics comprised a majority of the population. The Irish immigrants who found a place in San Diego’s community remain, for the most part, nameless in an otherwise colorful history. With the modern development of San Diego, their homes and achievements lay buried in a past dominated by Spanish and Mexican history. Even a cursory glance through a census record reveals, however, that the Irish did survive the tortuous cross-country trek, and arduous trip around the horn of South America to prosper in San Diego. Irish surnames appear in property, tax and marriage records as evidence that they lived a full life, unaffected by the anti-Irish sentiment elsewhere in the United States. Several held important community posts, and one, James McCoy, served as a California State Senator in Sacramento during the 1870s. The Irish who settled in San Diego played a major role in the small town’s development from a sleepy frontier port to a major American city. The San Diegan Irish managed to escape the pitfalls of poverty and discrimination found on the East Coast and prospered among the locals, who remained receptive to the Celtic newcomers.

There were Irish soldiers on both sides of the U.S. Civil War (the so-called Irish Brigades) and their ballads have continued to be popular to this day. Arguably my favorite one is here sung by David Kincaid (Irish-American), telling of the 11th New York Infantry and the 69th New York Militia, an Irish unit, at the Battle of Bull Run against the rebels (the tune mentions the charge upon the New York infantry by the Virginian Black Horse cavalry).

The Boys That Wore the Green - David Kincaid at Historic Richmond Town's Tavern Concert Series. - YouTube

Kincaid's ballads are well worth listening to but his brogue is a bit hard to comprehend.