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    Re: Ancient Iberian and Celtiberian scripts.

    "The name Celtiberi appears in the writing of Roman authors such as Diodorus Siculus, Appian and Martial, who thought these people were a mixture of Celts (Celtae) and Iberians (Iberi), with the Celts being dominant."

    I however think, based in a very plausibles hypothesis, that the name Celtiberi means "Celtics from Iberia", and not a mixture of Celtic+Iberians, due to significants differences in the way of life, over all that refers to religion, funeral rites, mystic conception of existence...There was too a strongly hierarchized society, being most of times women as priestesses, ruling the council of elders, even like warriors too. The warriors died in battle, were given to vultures and other vermins,in a sacred ritual. Incineration was the usual practice... Iberians was more influented by their "neighbors" from Phoenicia and Greece. Mediterranean Sea provided that influences and other from minoritary cultures too, but in the Celtic Iberia, these influences were "residuals"...


    "They also recording the tribal names Arevaci, Belli, Titti and Lusones."

    These tribes belong to the Lands known for many investigators about Pre-roman Hispania like the "Nuclear Celtiberia"... The heart of this culture on the Ancient Iberia. With necropolis and settlements from IX B.C to I A.C




    My genetic heritage, in concrete, belongs directly to these Lands and these tribes, by Paternal line.



    This is a plaque from Bilbilis :
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    Última edición por Tureno; 21/09/2011 a las 17:48


    ...Nosotros, los hijos de los Celtíberos, no nos avergonzamos de cantar en nuestros versos los nombres, aunque bárbaros, de Bílbilis, donde se prepara el metal que conviene a las armas ; de Salon (Jalón), cuyas aguas templan el acero ; de Rixancar ; de Choros ; de Retron, famoso por sus jardines y sus flores ; de Molana (Molina), cuyos moradores manejan con tanta destreza la lanza...

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    Re: Ancient Iberian and Celtiberian scripts.

    I don't think that the similarities between the Celtiberian and Germanic scripts are coincidental- the idea that both had input from elsewhere makes the most sense to me:

    Etruscan alphabet

    The Etruscan alphabet developed from a Western variety of the Greek alphabet brought to Italy by Euboean Greeks. The earliest known inscription dates from the middle of the 6th century BC. Most Etruscan inscriptions are written in horizontal lines from rigth to left, but some are boustrophedon (running alternately left to right then right to left).
    More than 10,000 Etruscan inscriptions have been found on tombstones, vases, statues, mirrors and jewellery. Fragments of an Etruscan book made of linen have also been found. Etruscan texts can be read: i.e. the pronunciation of the letters is known, though scholars are not sure what all the words mean.
    No major literary works in Etruscan have survived, however there is evidence for the existence of religious and historical literature and drama. It is also possible that the Etruscans had a notation system for music.
    The Etruscan language was spoken by the Etruscans in Etruria (Tuscany and Umbria) until about the 1st century AD, after which it continued to be studied by priests and scholars. The emperor Claudius (10 BC - 54 AD) wrote a history of the Etruscans in 20 volumes, none of which have survived, based on sources still preserved in his day. The language was used in religious ceremonies until the early 5th century.
    Etruscan was related to Raetic, a language once spoken in the Alps, and also to Lemnian, once spoken on the island of Lemnos. It was also possibly related to Camunic, a language once spoken in the northwest of Italy.
    Archaic Etruscan alphabet (7th-5th centuries BC)

    Neo-Etruscan alphabet (4th-3rd centuries BC)

    Sample text in Etruscan

    Ancient Latin alphabet

    The earliest known inscriptions in the Latin alphabet date from the 6th century BC. It was adapted from the Etruscan alphabet during the 7th century BC. The letters Y and Z were taken from the Greek alphabet to write Greek loan words. Other letters were added from time to time as the Latin alphabet was adapted for other languages and many letters had several different shapes.


    Ancient and modern Latin alphabet
    "And, as we Catholics know, Western Civilization is Roman Civilization, first classical Roman Civilization, then Roman Catholic Civilization, as the Christians preserved and carried classical Roman Civilization to the world in a Christianized form. That is, after all, why we are described as Roman Catholics."

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    Re: Ancient Iberian and Celtiberian scripts.

    Etruscan and Old Latin derive from Greek, which is a derivative of the Phoenician alphabet. The Phoenicians are known to have had a presence in ancient Iberia down to the Punic Wars and its very likely that their writing system was absorbed, partly or fully, by the natives there- later it was superseded by Latin, as was the case with the Germanic tribes (whose own runes were largely forgotten after Latin was adopted as the de-facto lingua franca).
    "And, as we Catholics know, Western Civilization is Roman Civilization, first classical Roman Civilization, then Roman Catholic Civilization, as the Christians preserved and carried classical Roman Civilization to the world in a Christianized form. That is, after all, why we are described as Roman Catholics."

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