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    Re: Stoic Ideal Agency.

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    I. Natural Law Theory: nature is not only ruled by physical laws but it is permeated by a moral order as well. Our human civil codes are valid and just only if they conform to the natural law (reason).
    J. Duty Romans developed Stoic concept of duty: "...Greek ethical theory placed very little emphasis on the notion of duty. Generally, even the most exalted, altruistic ethical advice was intimately tied up with one's own self-interest and the pursuit of the good life. The Stoics, however,....taught that we must do some things simply because they are right" (Lawhead 98).SUMMARY: Happiness is the good flow of life, harmony with the Divine Logos (nature, reason, natural law). Humans always do what they think is right; therefore knowledge is virtue. Contrary to Aristotle, no one is a slave by nature: brotherhood of man.



    The concept of natural law was very important to Roman jurists, is one of the great contributions of Stoicism to Roman law.
    Also influenced a legal theory called iusnaturalism.

    Sadly at present exerts much influence a legal theory called Legal positivism, which seeks to establish a separation between morality and law.

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    The concept of natural law was very important to Roman jurists, is one of the great contributions of Stoicism to Roman law.
    Also influenced a legal theory called iusnaturalism.

    Sadly at present exerts much influence a legal theory called Legal positivism, which seeks to establish a separation between morality and law.

    Regards
    This is a misrepresentation of Stoic natural law, which like its Christian counterpart, is only understandable when it's placed in relationship to the divine. An ideal example would be a line from Cleanthes' hymnal to the Stoic God:

    Zeus, the First Cause of Nature, who rules all things with Law.

    In both cases natural law exists and is effective because of of its ultimate source: God. Modern attempts to separate morality from God only result in moral subjectivity and depravity. Stoic natural law is a counterpart to Christian natural law and is properly understood in the light of Christian Tradition.
    "And, as we Catholics know, Western Civilization is Roman Civilization, first classical Roman Civilization, then Roman Catholic Civilization, as the Christians preserved and carried classical Roman Civilization to the world in a Christianized form. That is, after all, why we are described as Roman Catholics."

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    I wrote about the influence of the concept of natural law and also refer to the bad influence now exercised by legal positivism, the opposite of natural law.

    I agree with you, Stoic natural law as Christian natural law is understandable only in his relationship with God.

    Sadly in the present prevailing legal theories (positivism, legal realism,etc) are contrary to Christian natural law.

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    I wrote about the influence of the concept of natural law and also refer to the bad influence now exercised by legal positivism, the opposite of natural law.

    I agree with you, Stoic natural law as Christian natural law is understandable only in his relationship with God.

    Sadly in the present prevailing legal theories (positivism, legal realism,etc) are contrary to Christian natural law.

    Regards
    Stoicism comes to its full understanding via Christian interpretation and I might conjecture that, even moreso than the intellectual influence of Plato and Aristotle, Stoicism is far more important than it seems. Stoicism became a purely moral and ethical philosophy like its earlier counterpart Cynicism; it was meant to be practiced rather than purely for speculation (i.e. Platonism). The classical Roman legalists, i.e. Cicero, were affiliated in some degree to Stoicism- just as later Roman jurists were trained in Christianity, which itself inherited the legacy of the philosophical schools.

    The dividing line between an eternal natural law and a subjective natural law began beginning in the Renaissance period and its humanism; previously the was a pyramidal structure to the universe and its laws: God at the top with everything else in an inferior relationship due to a dependency on God and his laws (be they laws of nature or laws of revelation and teaching, which themselves are merely a re-iteration of eternally-existing principles). Humanism in the Christian sense is to recognize man as being the image and likeness of God (Christ being the perfect example of this idea of image and likeness); humanism in the sense of the Renaissance merely rejects God's importance and raises man to the level of a deluded, self-professed god (i.e. the error that Lucifer made).

    In the traditional Christian sense science was the study of nature and its laws- merely corollaries of Christian belief and religion. Stoicism predicted this sort of holistic relationship between God and Man, i.e. man's ethics are guided by eternal principles which're easily proven via an application of sound reason and common sense.
    Última edición por Annuit Coeptis; 08/01/2013 a las 19:24
    "And, as we Catholics know, Western Civilization is Roman Civilization, first classical Roman Civilization, then Roman Catholic Civilization, as the Christians preserved and carried classical Roman Civilization to the world in a Christianized form. That is, after all, why we are described as Roman Catholics."

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