Tema: Socialist politician says Spanish bishop should be 'muzzled'.

You can show your support to the Bishop of Cordoba by signing this letter. I opened a post in Spanish about it including the bishop's letter here http://hispanismo.org/religion/16305...de-genero.html

I don't totally agree with Martin Ant. I don't think that this is what the revolutionaries of the 19th or even 20th century -as bad as they indeed were- thought of freedom. None of these revolutionaries, 19th century liberals or even commies, thought they were fighting for fags, dykes or IVF. However, I agree that this is what we got as a consequence of implementing this "freedom above everything" constitutional mentality, that allowed bringing in the ideas of the neo-Marxist school of Frankfurt and the "hippy" movement of Western Europe and North America since the 60s.

I think Spain can't be compared to the US in this matter. Up to the present day, there are still some priests, either carlist or francoist, that don't agree with this "democracy". Of course they are a small minority, but some can still be found. I wonder if there is a single priest in the US thinking this way, since the US was born as a constitutional liberal State and the so called freedom of religion, which the traditional Church always stood against (except for freedom to the true religion) is a dogma of the US since the beginning. I wonder how the US priests of the SSPX think politically. It would also be interesting to see where the influences came from for Vatican II changes to take place. Perhaps they originally came from catholic clergy men from non-catholic countries. That would explain something...