Tema: The Irish – more Spanish than Celtic?

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As I said, my encounters with Catholicism in the U.S.A. have left me more or less feeling underwhelmed.

I don't envy you. Liturgical abuse is far from uncommon since the Second Vatican Council, but from what I've seen the Church in the USA is particularly haywire.
Some of the "Masses" that I've read about or even seen there defy words.

However, I know there are a number of traditionlist communities there which are growing fast.
It seems as the liberal congregations are leaking members, those returning to the traditions are going from strength to strength.
You might be able to check who is now doing the Extraordinary Form and who is more traditionally minded from these guys - Una Voce America » Chapters

Expecting, say, Tridentine Mass and whanot, only to find a service little different, but more showy, than a typical Protestant service-- Kind of made me guess again, but I'm not exactly going to say that this turns me off of Catholicism completely.

I wouldn't blame you if it did. I know it has little appeal for me.
I believe some of the worst offenders of the Novus Ordo type are further from Catholicism than some of the more conservative Anglican and Lutheran services.

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I don't envy you. Liturgical abuse is far from uncommon since the Second Vatican Council, but from what I've seen the Church in the USA is particularly haywire.
Some of the "Masses" that I've read about or even seen there defy words.

As I've said, the masses that I've gone to over here seem little better to me than Protestant services. I wasn't really impressed and I haven't gone back.

However, I know there are a number of traditionlist communities there which are growing fast.
It seems as the liberal congregations are leaking members, those returning to the traditions are going from strength to strength.
You might be able to check who is now doing the Extraordinary Form and who is more traditionally minded from these guys - Una Voce America » Chapters

I wouldn't blame you if it did. I know it has little appeal for me.
I believe some of the worst offenders of the Novus Ordo type are further from Catholicism than some of the more conservative Anglican and Lutheran services.

I only know of one church in my hometown where the Latin Mass is given but there're a plethora or "normal" Catholic churches. I don't live too far from two, to be exact. Quite honestly, Catholic churches seem to be a dime per dozen in the U.S.A., not to dump on the Church itself, but I have to wonder if the proliferation of Catholicism in the country has to do with the liberalized doctrines of Vatican II.

There's a big deal of relation, I can tell you that: Florida, Texas, New Mexico, California, etc, etc... there's loads of things waiting for you to discover them; I'd start for the simple things if I were you... like tortilla de patata, for example

Truly the Hispanic Catholic influence is ubiquitous across the United States. Vibrant intact missions founded by the Spanish in the 16-1700 from Southern Texas to Northern California celebrate Masses to this day. From Portuguese linguiça and sweet bread that can be found in virtually every supermarket in the Northeast to Basque festivals in remote cities such as Boise ID, Ely NV and Yuma AZ. I've always wanted to take a drive down the Old Spanish Trail from San Diego CA to the oldest city in our nation St Augustine FL. The Mississippi River was initially named by Hernando DeSoto "River of the Holy Spirit" and then later it was called River of the Immaculate Conception by Marquette. Our national capital is surrounded by VIRGINia & MARYland. Our second largest city Los Angeles was originally called Nuestra Señora Reina de todos los Angeles , Alta California. LA is actually named after Our Lady Queen of the Angels, we should return it to the original name! Also we are the largest Christian denomination in this USA. If only we collectively returned and embraced our ancient faith how much more blessed this nation and the world would become.


Below are some interesting links:
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Our Lady of America

The Irish Presence in the History and Place Names of Cuba
http://www.irlandeses.org/0711fernandezmoya4.htm

By Rafael Fernández Moya

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Upon the US American general Thomas Jordan’s arrival, who was named Chief of the High Command and later Head of the Liberation Army in the Camagüey region, W. O’Ryan was named inspector and chief of cavalry, before attaining the rank of general. He was sent on a mission to the United States, from where he set out to return to Cuba at the end of October 1873. He sailed aboard the American steamship Virginius as part of the leadership of an expedition also led by the generals Bernabé Varona Borrero (Bembeta) and Pedro Céspedes Castillo, as well as the colonel Jesús del Sol.

The Virginius was captured by the Spanish warship Tornado off Cuban waters and was towed into the bay of Santiago de Cuba on 1 December. Five days later, by order of the Spanish authorities, all the leaders of the revolutionary expedition were executed, O’Ryan among them. On 7 December the ship’s captain, Joseph Fry, and 36 members of the crew, were executed, causing a diplomatic and political conflict between Spain and the United States. In honour of the independence fighter O’Ryan a street of the Sagarra subdivision in Santiago de Cuba was given his name.

Rafael Fernández Moya
Notes
[1] The author is a Specialist in Commercial Management at the tourist company Habaguanex, and in the Historian’s Office of Havana.

It's incredible! Everywhere you look in the Hispanic world the Irish are there! From Imperial governors such as Juan O'Donojú/O'Donahue, to revolutionaries (Bernardo O'Higgins), to warriors (San Patricio Battalion) and Irish chieftains who were exiled in Spain. Also the Irish educators and religious who have quietly contributed so much to Spain and Hispanic America.