Tema: US Overstretched GWOT (Global War On Terror) towards the “Boiling Point”

The threat posed by Islam is very, very real.

The threat is very real indeed however the best way to counter it is by completely prohibiting islamic immigration into Western & Christian nations. Also it is by not wasting our youth and treasure on fruitless neo-CON wars on the other side of the globe. All it does is bankrupt us and cause blowback. Meddling in the Middle East or any other distant region where we are not wanted is like poking a hornets nest.

The fact is, no one is willing to put into effect any kind of real immigration reform in western countries. The U.S. border with Mexico is a joke, with Mexicans coming illegally into the country virtually unopposed (and hence making a mockery of U.S. immigration laws and making things tough for legal immigrants), and there's a worry that the jihadists will use the U.S./Mexican border as a way to secretly infiltrate into the U.S. The results have to begin at home, with safe borders, tough but sensible immigration policies, and so forth.

Get the troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya! And stick them on the Mexican and Canadian borders.

The Mexicans are just going back to what used to be their territory until the U.S. took over most of Mexico by means of a war. Sorry, but that's the way it is. That's why you have so many Spanish place names in the Western United States, right up to the Canadian border with a state called Montana because in English you cannot pronounce the ñ.

The lands that were settled by Spain were lost by Mexico. California was Spanish for almost 125 years. During that time Spain established agriculture, founded missions and cities from San Diego to the Sonoma Valley. California was only Mexican for 25 years in which very little development and progress took place. The Mexican government lost theses territories through bad governance, negligence and the planned military failures of General Antonio López de Santa Anna (aka Napoleon of the West). Furthermore in the case of Texas the Mexican government invited in North American settlers and entrepreneurs. Spanish place names for cities and geographical features (rio, sierra, arroyo, llano, meseta, etc) are common in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Southern Colorado and parts of Florida. Unfortunately outside of these states Spanish place names are minimal to non-existent. Even in states whose names come from Spanish derivations i.e. Nevada and Montana. E.g. The only municipality I can think of in Nevada with a Spanish name is Las Vegas. Any detailed atlas will confirm this.

Also unfortunately the children of the immigrants from Mexico and Central America lose there Hispanic culture after the second and third generation of being in the U.S. They either become Anglicized or embrace the degenerate "street" culture. Worse of all many of them also become lost souls by abandoning there Catholic faith either by becoming Agnostic, joining cults, entering into heretical sects and even Islam. This mass exodus of people is hurting the United States and destroying the nations from where these immigrants came from. Immigration laws need to be strenuously enforced in the Americas just as much as in Europe. Even though immigrants from Mesoamerica are not as bad as those from the Maghreb.

Iniciado por Hyeronimus

The Mexicans are just going back to what used to be their territory until the U.S. took over most of Mexico by means of a war. Sorry, but that's the way it is. That's why you have so many Spanish place names in the Western United States, right up to the Canadian border with a state called Montana because in English you cannot pronounce the ñ.

That was then; this is now.

I realize that in some respects things have changed. Nevertheless, it's only fair for the Hispanics to return to what was unjustly taken from them.

Iniciado por Hyeronimus

I realize that in some respects things have changed. Nevertheless, it's only fair for the Hispanics to return to what was unjustly taken from them.

Ah yes, the victim mentality. While we're at it why not have white Americans pay blacks reparations for slavery?

I would feel much better returning these lands to the Catholic Kingdom of Mejico & Nueva España rather than the failed state known as the Republic of Mexico whose most lucrative export is her own citizens. Even though Mexico is a fascinating country with a beautiful Hispanic-American culture there are major issues that the Mexican government has failed to solve (perpetual violence, corruption, & poverty). If these territories became Mexican during this present time all the bloodshed, crony-ism and ineptitude that Mexico is suffering would cascade into these northern lands. Also one should note that there is strong anti-hispanism and anti-clericalism within the Mexican government until this day; leftovers from the Cristero War. As a LEGAL immigrant living in Texas I can confirm that this would be a disaster for all Americans regardless of there ethnic backgrounds and detrimental to Western Christendom as a whole.

P.S.

The only municipality I can think of in Nevada with a Spanish name is Las Vegas.

Just remembered Reno, NV also has a Spanish name

What I propose is that there should be a creation of academic, religious, cultural, and commercial alliances between these formerly Spanish territories (AZ, CA, NM, TX, FL) and the Iberian fatherland as well as other nations which share a Hispanic heritage (Phillipines, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, East Timor, Angola, Peru, etc etc). And a common Catholic heritage (Ireland, Italy, Poland, Hungary, Malta, Quebec etc). Now this would be beneficial for Western Christendom!

Iniciado por Milesian

I would feel much better returning these lands to the Catholic Kingdom of Mejico & Nueva España rather than the failed state known as the Republic of Mexico whose most lucrative export is her own citizens. Even though Mexico is a fascinating country with a beautiful Hispanic-American culture there are major issues that the Mexican government has failed to solve (perpetual violence, corruption, & poverty). If these territories became Mexican during this present time all the bloodshed, crony-ism and ineptitude that Mexico is suffering would cascade into these northern lands. Also one should note that there is strong anti-hispanism and anti-clericalism within the Mexican government until this day; leftovers from the Cristero War. As a LEGAL immigrant living in Texas I can confirm that this would be a disaster for all Americans regardless of there ethnic backgrounds and detrimental to Western Christendom as a whole.

This is what I mean. I'm not talking necessarily about those lands being returned to Mexico. It`s too late for that and there would be other problems involved.

Iniciado por Milesian

What I propose is that there should be a creation of academic, religious, cultural, and commercial alliances between these formerly Spanish territories (AZ, CA, NM, TX, FL) and the Iberian fatherland as well as other nations which share a Hispanic heritage (Phillipines, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, East Timor, Angola, Peru, etc etc). And a common Catholic heritage (Ireland, Italy, Poland, Hungary, Malta, Quebec etc). Now this would be beneficial for Western Christendom!

But with a special accent on the Hispanic side of it, as a sort of Spanish Commonwealth or federation.

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That was then; this is now.

If then was ok for the Yankees to take the Mexican lands by illegally invading them, why is not ok now for the Mexicans to take the Yankee lands by illegally invading them?

If you think that the first invasion was fair, then, at least, you have to think that this invasion is perfectly fair as well.

Or are we having here a problem of double standards?

Why not talk about all the illegal immigrants who took over Mexican Texas?

During the 1820 decade and before, hundreds and hundreds of illegal American immigrants were flooding Texas, and by 1829, they already outnumbered Mexicans. The Mexican government responded by cutting off immigration, but Anglo-Americans kept pouring in and so Mexico also levied a property tax and tariffs on goods imported from America, and outlawed slavery. Texan Anglo-Americans did not like this and so they declared their independence.

Could it be said that Americans are just drinking their own medicine?

Here's an interesting article on the subject: I give thanks for illegal immigrants | Rick Casey | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Iniciado por Donoso

If then was ok for the Yankees to take the Mexican lands by illegally invading them, why is not ok now for the Mexicans to take the Yankee lands by illegally invading them?

If you think that the first invasion was fair, then, at least, you have to think that this invasion is perfectly fair as well.

Or are we having here a problem of double standards?

Bring it on.



As much as I admire Spain and its daughter cultures I will not be a passive mouthpiece whilst my country is overrun by foreigners. You want an illegal hispanic invasion of the United States? What would you do if you say if you saw gun towers with .50s on them along the Rio Grande? A modern-day Hadrian's Wall. Or how would you feel about swarms of millions of Americans taking over Central and South American lands? HUH?

You want our Angloamerican lands? Give up yours as ransom.

This is not about what do I want or what do I feel about hypothetical situations.

This is about you complaining about the Mexicans illegaly invading lands that were illegaly invaded before by the the Yankees, but you only find unacceptable the Mexican one.

You don´t want to be a passive mouthpiece while foreigners overrun your country? That´s a very fair enough statement.

What about the Mexicans that don´t want to be passive about foreigners overruning their country for almost two centuries now? I find that very fair as well.

The questions is why you can´t accept this. Unless, for some reason, you believe that the Yankees are the only people in the world who can illegaly take any land from other people and retain it forever.

Iniciado por Donoso

This is not about what do I want or what do I feel about hypothetical situations.

This is about you complaining about the Mexicans illegaly invading lands that were illegaly invaded before by the the Yankees, but you only find unacceptable the Mexican one.

You don´t want to be a passive mouthpiece while foreigners overrun your country? That´s a very fair enough statement.

What about the Mexicans that don´t want to be passive about foreigners overruning their country for almost two centuries now? I find that very fair as well.

The questions is why you can´t accept this. Unless, for some reason, you believe that the Yankees are the only people in the world who can illegaly take any land from other people and retain it forever.

You are speaking of the past. What happened in the Louisiana Purchase or Mexican-American War is over and done with. I don't want my country with unsecure borders and being overrun by UNWANTED FOREIGNERS who refuse to speak the language or adapt to the culture of MY ANCESTORS: the Anglo-Saxons. My ancestors came to North America in the early 17th century. Do you think I speak as some Yankee imperialist? I don't give a rat's ass about imperialism; I care about America's borders. I speak as an American citizen of Anglo-Saxon ancestry.

No Hispanic name was signed on the Declaration of Independence and nor has their ever been a Hispanic President of the United States. Yes I understand, and greatly appreciate, the Hispanic contribution to my country's past and present. Do you know who ultimately chose to support the rebellion of the thirteen English colonies from the mother-country: His Catholic Majesty Carlos III. BUT THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE FOREIGN INVASION AND ANGLO DISPLACEMENT AND GENOCIDE.

Even the lowest zambo or indio or castizo can migrate LEGALLY and become a productive member of the Union. I will be the first to welcome them and say "Please become a productive member of my country's society." However, you seem to think that Hispanics have an entitlement to these lands in the present, thus you seem to support illegal immigration and the destruction of my country's borders and society. Criminalistic hispanics frequently engage in mayhem in Tejas, etc. There are large hispanic gangs in the U.S. like MS-13. Is this the sort of thing that you think best represents hispanics? Murderers? Gang members? My God, the U.S. already has a negro underclass; it doesn't need a hispanic one.

This is a pathetic opinion to have (that because large parts of the U.S. were once formerly a part of New Spain, hispanics have a free claim to these lands), and I might as well say that the Spaniards should give all of their lands back to the Italians because the Romans conquered and occupied the territories of the Carthaginians and the Celtiberians. Human history is filled with displacement and conquest. Deal with it.

I say, "You are unwanted here because you refuse to respect me by disrespecting the laws of my country. You will not be welcome here by breaking the laws of America."

Both Mexico and the United States were fledgling nations at the time of the Mexican War. Both dominated by hubris and easily humiliated. Instead of going to war with the more mature Great Britain over the disputed Oregon country they came to a settlement on the 49th parallel with the Oregon Treaty.

The War with Mexico was opposed by John Quincy Adams and Abraham Lincoln as an unjust and unconstitutional war. The Spot Resolutions introduced by Senator Thomas Corwin asked that it be shown where American blood was spilled on American soil. It was indeed a land grab however on the same token Mexico lost Texas by inviting in the Anglo settlers and entrepreneurs. In the case of California Mexico also failed by making the Californios fend for themselves and not sending in military reinforcements. Mexico lacks as it does until this day proper planning, foresight and vision. It failed to develop and defend its northern territories. Mexicans and no other nationality that once held claim to the these territories be it Russia, France, Great Britain etc has any right to waltz in and out as they please especially in today's unstable environment. Mexico is dealing with complete lawlessness as 40,000 people have been killed in a bloody drug war.

What needs to happen is that the border needs to be properly defended and Mexico needs to clean its own house instead of para-siting of the United States. After this is done California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Florida should send delegates to future Ibero-American summits and look for ways to boost trade and partnerships between themselves and other member states. After all these American states do share a common history and heritage with the rest of the Hispanic world. These states are a transition zone between Anglo and Hispanic America. A connected development strategy needs to be implemented however it needs to be based upon mutual respect and the rule of law.