Tema: George Washington and Catholics.

Iniciado por Hyeronimus

I don't care whether he was considered a Christian or not. Many Protestants in the U.S. are members of Masonic lodges. In fact, in the article you've posted as a reply, he is described as a devout Protestant, not as Catholic. He may have been very sincere in his beliefs. Only God and him know. But that is not enough. Many Masons try to be "good", but on their own, without God's grace, just what that Pelagius you quote at the end of your posts preached.

As compared to the gnostic ruminations of the former follower of Mani the Zoroastrian heretic? That'd be Augustine, spiritual forebear of the arch-depressive Calvin. Do you really think that Augustine took nothing of gnosticism with him to Christianity, such as the idea of the dualism of matter and spirit, the corruption of matter, etc.? If this is so then I suppose the Stoic and Platonic leanings of Justin or the similarities between Pelagianism and certain aspects of druidry are purely coincidental. Pelagius was only anathematized because his teachings of human nature, popularized by Colestius, offended Augustine and his papal sponsor Innocent. Zosimus later declared Pelagius to be orthodox, later changing his mind and re-declaring Pelagius to be a heretic (because Augustine, Jermone, etc. were raising a fuss).

http://www.believers-dilemma.org/pub...yword/Pelagius

A few months later Augustine succeeded in having Pelagius brought to trial before 14 Eastern Bishops who carefully studied the allegedly heretical writings but found Pelagius orthodox on every point. They gave him a full acquittal. Once again, respected men who actually investigated Pelagius found nothing heretical in his beliefs. Augustine and his allies were outraged. They accused the Eastern Bishops of being duped. How? The 14 Eastern Bishops spoke only Greek and Augustine spoke only Latin, so the Bishops may not have fully understood the written accusations he had sent the court. Pelagius was fluent in both languages. Augustine claimed Pelagius was able to misinterpret his own Latin writings to conceal his heresies from the Greeks.

God Bless George Washington! The swearing-in ceremony of Washington as 1st POTUS, from the John Adams TV show. Washington's actions defined him- unlike the monarchs of France and Spain, or the Pope, General Washington led his men from the battle-field and was chosen by the American People to be the leader of the new nation (he didn't simply get born as a royal heir or elected by some assembly of clerics or nobles). As President Washington served the People of America as President for two terms of four years, after which he retired to private life. Some wanted to make him King of America, a dubious honor he refused. Even King George III praised him for his political modesty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgCQDZdlMdc

So what? George Washington was heretical, and so was Pelagius. Pelagianism is an heresy and has always been condemned by the Church. And Masonism is diabolical, no matter how well-intended they seem to be (and no doubt many of them are). George Washington may have been a great man in other senses, a great patriot and so on, and there may be many reasons to admire him, but he was no saint in the religious sense. I realise this must be hard for you to hear, being American. I don't mean to offend you or the American people, but as a Catholic I cannot agree with that view of George Washington.

Iniciado por Hyeronimus

So what? George Washington was heretical, and so was Pelagius. Pelagianism is an heresy and has always been condemned by the Church. And Masonism is diabolical, no matter how well-intended they seem to be (and no doubt many of them are). George Washington may have been a great man in other senses, a great patriot and so on, and there may be many reasons to admire him, but he was no saint in the religious sense. I realise this must be hard for you to hear, being American. I don't mean to offend you or the American people, but as a Catholic I cannot agree with that view of George Washington.

And all Catholics (as well as Protestants) are seen as being heterodox by Orthodoxy. Do not contradict the Patriarch of Constantinople. Anyways I'm not offended but neither do I seek the approval of men for my beliefs.