Tema: No english children in London

You haven't had any point till that last post. Until then, all your "point" was this:

I didn't know that this was a "white power" website. I thought the point of this forum was to discuss issues related to Hispanic cultures, traditions, history, etc.

My mistake obviously.

This was your whole "point". Do you want logic? Let's start talking about what sort of senseless statements you consider to be valid arguments.

I've been studying, following and promoting the awareness about the demographic disaster of european populations for years. You can try a quick search in the database of Hispanismo for the tens of articles I've posted here. And, of course, I'll keep doing it cause it's the only moral stand about the topic. Period.

I don't know if you have realised that this forum have several subfora not directly related with the hispanic world. Maybe this fact could be puzzling to you but, you'll see, hispanistas are not disconnected from the outside world, nor is there any un-written law against discussing important issues which affect some of us so strikingly.

Let's see some fora that, in your wise opinion, don't deserve to exist in Hispanismo:

Europa(This is our main "white supremacist" forum, but there are others too. It's our little "Stormfront".)

Resto del mundo(Here we discuss the fate of our brothers of Timbuktu)

Italiano(Italian speakers' forum. But we only allow them to write about strictly hispanic topics, of course...)

Français(A plainly similar case. Well, to be true it must be said that it's devoted to some extent to french neo-pagan philo-nazism)

Let's set aside some highlighted links such as Irish Nationalism or Massimo Morsello, you know, the well known hispanista...

If you want to build a posteriori case to support your stupid outburst I have to notify you your epic fail. Sorry. But if you really believe, along with the cultural left, that european peoples are the only part of the whole human race that mustn't be allowed to express the humblest in-group concern then, clearly, Hispanismo is not the right place to you to roam about. If you are looking for supremacism you can go here or here, where maybe you will feel far better off. You know: they are true gung-ho hispanistas, clinging passionately to Catholicism, Spain, spanish language, Cristopher Columbus, european settlers... Wonderful people those you can find in the "brown supremacist" crowd. When they know that you are a spaniard they can show so much warmth...

Iniciado por Juan del Águila

I've been studying, following and promoting the awareness about the demographic disaster of european populations for years. You can try a quick search in the database of Hispanismo for the tens of articles I've posted here. And, of course, I'll keep doing it cause it's the only moral stand about the topic. Period.

The only moral stand? By whose standards? Last time I checked pretty much everyone here is Catholic. Now, need I remind you that: 1) The word "catholic" means universal, 2) Racism is NOT permitted in Catholicism.

Also you mention the "demographic disaster" - I live here in the USA and I don't see ANY demographic disaster in the USA. Yes, the new immigrants are not white. So what? They are blending in astonishingly fast with few problems (at least when compared to the last great wave of immigration which lasted until the 1920s).

Iniciado por Juan del Águila

I don't know if you have realised that this forum have several subfora not directly related with the hispanic world. Maybe this fact could be puzzling to you but, you'll see, hispanistas are not disconnected from the outside world, nor is there any un-written law against discussing important issues which affect some of us so strikingly.

Great. Does that mean I should start posting about the stock market because that "affects some of us so strikingly"? Migration into England does NOT affect hispanos directly, unless of course your basis of association is "white" rather than "hispano". Obviously you care more about the "white" part than the "hispano" part.

Iniciado por Juan del Águila

Resto del mundo(Here we discuss the fate of our brothers of Timbuktu)

This is what I don't understand. Why the heck does someone being white make them your "brother"? I don't know about you, I prefer to focus the linguistic/cultural. Obviously there are hispanos of all colors and races (Germanic, criollo, mestizo, mulatto, zambo, indio, etc....) and in my eyes they are all equally "hispano".

Iniciado por Juan del Águila

Italiano(Italian speakers' forum. But we only allow them to write about strictly hispanic topics, of course...)

Français(A plainly similar case. Well, to be true it must be said that it's devoted to some extent to french neo-pagan philo-nazism)

I think it can be reasonably argued on the basis that the French and Italians, being descendants of a Latin/Mediterranean culture and being Catholic, have cultures that fall within the same "family" as Spain. England, in my opinion, does not.

Iniciado por Juan del Águila

But if you really believe, along with the cultural left, that european peoples are the only part of the whole human race that mustn't be allowed to express the humblest in-group concern

Who said that European peoples don't have the right to be concerned about themselves? I think Spaniards should be worried about immigration. The only difference is that I don't think race (or skin color) is a big issue. If there is going to be immigration, then there are some main criteria that should be followed:

1. Qualifications of the immigrant. Is the person being let in qualified or educated? Is he a criminal or a law-abiding citizen?

2. Does the host country even need the immigrants?

3. What groups of people are most likely to blend into the host society without problems?

I frankly don't care what skin color the immigrant has. There have been Chinese and (East) Indians who have emigrated to Mexico - and they have fit in perfectly fine.

Iniciado por Juan del Águila

If you are looking for supremacism you can go here or here, where maybe you will feel far better off. You know: they are true gung-ho hispanistas, clinging passionately to Catholicism, Spain, spanish language, Cristopher Columbus, european settlers... Wonderful people those you can find in the "brown supremacist" crowd. When they know that you are a spaniard they can show so much warmth...

Juan, irony is sweet (not to mention hilarious). The La Raza crowd is taking the same position as you: that they are the indigenous peoples who have been invaded by foreigners. The only difference is that in your case the whites are victims and browns are the perpetrators, while they believe the inverse. How interesting!

And for the record: I find the "brown supremacist" argument to be as stupid as the "white supremacist" one.

I don't think Juan is a racist or a white supremacist, since he is a Traditionalist Catholic. He's only concerned, as many of us, about the demographical and cultural substitution that is taking place in Europe right now. Our Western Christian culture is rapidly dissapearing. It's not like when we took the true religion and Western civilization to the Americas, and we didn't mind mixing with the Indians. It's the other way around. Europe is not improving with it, it's in decadence, while moslems, gypsies and some of the worst elements from South America are gradually taking over. I don't mean to say that all of them are necessarily bad guys, but it's creating problems that you don't have over there and that's why you don't understand. Plus moslems are a fith column among us. We know it well. That's why we had to expell the moriscos in 1609. And of course, it's a big concern if a foreign language becomes the majority language in England or elsewere. (It's not the same case with Spanish in the States: the Hispanics are in a way getting back their territory).

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I don't think Juan is a racist or a white supremacist, since he is a Traditionalist Catholic.

If Juan isn't a racist, then I owe it to him to apologize for my outburst above. The "tone" of his commentaries suggest otherwise, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Iniciado por Hyeronimus

He's only concerned, as many of us, about the demographical and cultural substitution that is taking place in Europe right now. Our Western Christian culture is rapidly dissapearing.

There is a crisis occurring in Western Civilization (particularly in Europe) right now. I think we are all in agreement on that point.

I think where we disagree is that I do not see a demographic element to the crisis. Yes there are many newcomers arriving on Europe's shores every day. There are also many newcomers coming to the US. Yet the US has very little troubling assimilating its immigrants, while Europe has trouble doing so.

Why? It has nothing to do with skin color. America's immigrants are as brown as Europe's. My personal thesis is that this occurs because immigrants are given the opportunity to assimilate, heavily encouraged to do so, and there is tremendous social pressure do "Americanize". A second generation Chinese or Brazilian is just as American as a fourth generation Irish-German-English American.

Europe, on the other hand, does not encourage assimilation. For example, if I move to Norway and have a child there, he will NEVER be considered Norwegian even if he speaks perfect Norwegian and behaves and acts like any other Norwegian. His lack of Norwegian ancestry will be enough to disqualify him.

If I may inteject something personal here: I have spoken to many Colombians (and other Hispanos) who have been to Spain and most of them have mentioned that they personally experienced racism in Spain. When I asked them about racism in the USA, virtually all of them said "none" or "very little". I don't know how true this is - I was certainly treated very well when I went to Spain, and the Spaniards that I've met were generally good people; but then again being a tourist vs. being a resident are two totally different things. If that is the case, I think we can identify a portion of the immigration problem right there.

If Europe won't encourage them to assimilate (or doesn't even want them to assimilate), how can they assimilate?

Iniciado por El Chicano

If Juan isn't a racist, then I owe it to him to apologize for my outburst above.

Juan, I've been thinking about this for the last couple of days.

I do owe you an apology. My original comment was ill-timed and sarcastic. Also, it was wrong for me to jump to an a priori conclusion about your post or your intentions.

So please accept this as an apology.