Tema: El fenómeno de la "Alt-Right"

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¿Y como le dio a usted por enfangarse en el rollo idiotita ario?¿Tenía algún tipo de esperanza en encontrar algo ahí de verdadera renovación?

El identitarismo siempre me ha parecido nocivo políticamente, una nación o movimiento político que se repliega como pretenden ellos basando el centro de su política en folclorismos locales y etnoestados no tiene el más mínimo futuro, hay una total ausencia de principios superiores en esos movimientos. La página que nombro, counter currents y otras americanas ya desaparecidas tenían artículos interesantes de crítica cultural y crítica al agit-prop izquierdista, las campañas de agit-prop que trae la izquierda a Europa suelen salir de los campus universitarios estadounidenses, digamos que ellos tiene el mejor punto de vista para hacer crítica de esa agitación izquierdista, pero claro, lo hacen desde unas bases poco sólidas.

Renovación ninguna.

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Juan, comparto las críticas que formulas a la Alt-Right. Además, me parece que lo planteas de manera muy adecuada. Sin embargo, tengo que discrepar en un punto. Creo que Evola y Benoist ejercen una influencia muy negativa, además de ser ajenos al fascismo y, por supuesto, al tradicionalismo católico. A mi juicio, Benoist y Evola son los padres espirituales de la Alt-Right a través de la Nueva Derecha, aunque como Benoist y Evola son más listos y manejan mejor el lenguaje, son capaces de dar la impresión de que están situados a otro nivel. Evidentemente, están a otro nivel en cuanto a sus capacidades. Pero lo que regurgitan las turbas digitales de Burbuja no se puede explicar sin estos dos ideólogos.

En cualquier caso, tu mensaje me parece muy positivo y por eso lo aplaudo. Celebro que hayas abierto los ojos con respecto a esa gente y te hayas animado a participar en este foro. Creo que podrás aportar mucho.

Comento dos cosas breves sobre la Alt-Right. En este artículo sobre Andrew Anglin explican cómo este izquierdista homosexual se convirtió en el troll neonazi más famoso de internet:

Andrew Anglin: The Making of an American Nazi - The Atlantic

El artículo es recomendable sólo si tienes un interés específico en la Alt-Right. En un mundo ideal sería mejor ocuparse de otras cosas.

Steve Bannon se declara orgulloso de ser sionista en un acto organizado por una asociación judía:



En realidad todo esto se sabía de antes y en este foro informamos cumplidamente desde el principio.

¿Dónde están los ideólogos identitarios que, desde La Gaceta y desde otras tribunas, vendieron que Trump y especialmente Bannon eran dos cruzados antisionistas contra el "Nuevo Orden Mundial"? ¿Dónde están los que, cuando Bannon fue cesado, lo interpretaron como un movimiento del Deep State sionista contra la verdadera América?

En realidad, el Deep State siempre fue mucho más amigable con los palestinos que toda esta gentuza que promovieron los sagaces analistas del mundillo patriótico. Pero es seguro que estos expertos analistas no rectificarán ni pedirán disculpas por haber engañado a tanta gente. Porque, total, sus seguidores tampoco les pasarán factura.

Gracias Kontrapoder, Evola en su conjunto puede ser nocivo, al fin y al cabo al final decía en Cabalgar el Tigre que uno puede dedicarse a la política como el que se dedica a vender seguros o a la "trata de blancas", de ahí por ejemplo que Ernesto Milá consciente de lo antievoliano del identitarismo diga que es que en el contexto actual el nacionalismo ya no es disolvente como en el XIX porque actúa contra el globalismo y etc..., es decir que en el fondo defiende algo en lo que no cree demasiado. Y en mi opinión le pierde (a Evola) la obsesión judía cuando llega a decir que en los libros sibilinos de Roma hay infiltración judaíca pero en otras obras defiende ciertos principios que sí son aceptables. Creo que dijo en alguna ocasión que su modelo es el prusiano del XIX o la Restauración Meiji y von Metternich un personaje al que admira, esto casa bien poco con el nacionalismo romántico de los identitarios.

Sobre el llamado Deep State era esperable que no permitieran la política prorusa de Trump, al fin y al cabo Trump tiene que poner en puestos clave a gente con experiencia en la administración o el ejército, personalidades no tan ideologizadas y más técnicas que más que amoldarse a Trump intentarán mantener en ciertos aspectos lo que han conocido, supongamos que por ejemplo mañana gana las elecciones en España Falange de las Jons, creo que Norberto Pico y Garrido son abogados, es decir que tiene una cierta formación pero aun así tendrían forzosamente que recurrir a gente con perfil más técnico y con experiencia en la administración, gente que sería difícil conducir hacia las líneas ideológicas que defienden, a ver por ejemplo como sentaría en el ejército el que se cuestionara al actual rey.

Ahora bien sobre el sionismo de Trump nunca hubo la menor duda.

Juan López, me uno a la bienvenida brindada por Kontrapoder. Me gusta cómo armas tus planteamientos.

Deduzco por la simbología que eres falangista, joseantoniano o como se diga... ¿cierto?

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Juan López, me uno a la bienvenida brindada por Kontrapoder. Me gusta cómo armas tus planteamientos.

Deduzco por la simbología que eres falangista, joseantoniano o como se diga... ¿cierto?

Gracias Leofredo, la simbología es por todo lo que representan el Yugo y las Flechas, no solo por Falange y las JONS, no milito en ninguna organización pero las pocas veces que me he unido a algún acto ha sido de alguna de las falanges, las dos que tienen actividad.

La llamada islamofobia de la derecha alternativa y sus medios corresponden a una islamofobia ajustada a los intereses de Israel. https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/...37879101943808

El FPOE entra en el Gobierno de Austria.

¿Y cuáles son las primeras medidas?

1. Reconoce Israel como Estado judío:
El gobierno austríaco trata a Israel como un Estado judío por primera vez

2. Concede la ciudadanía a descendientes de judíos que sufrieron el Holocausto:
Vienna says will grant citizenship to descendants of Austrian Holocaust victims - Europe - Haaretz.com

3. Anuncia que erigirá un monumento a las víctimas del Holocausto:
Le gouvernement autrichien désire ériger un monument aux victimes autrichiennes de la Shoah. : Lionel Baland

Ojo, las dos últimas medidas no me parecen mal ni bien. Lo que pasa es que llama la atención que nada más llegar al poder anuncien todas esas medidas relacionadas con el mismo tema. Es como demasiado forzado. Pero precisamente por eso yo creo que podría ser un teatrillo. Simplemente utilizan a los judíos para ganar respetabilidad. Pero eso, lejos de aminorar su culpa, le añade un plus de maquiavelismo.

El Gobierno húngaro organiza una conferencia a la que está invitado el sodomita Milo Yiannopopulos:

The Orbán government’s international conference on the future of Europe, with Milo Yiannopoulos – Hungarian Spectrum

Milo Yiannopoulos to speak at Hungary-funded V4 event | Far Right News | Al Jazeera

En Vox se continúa con la deriva Alt Right: https://twitter.com/VOX_Caceres/stat...57489177698305

Para aquellos que se sientan atraídos por la «Alt Right» han de recordar estas lúcidas palabras de Miguel Ayuso.

«Una nueva civilización, comunidad de base cristiana, diferente por entero en su estructura y desconectada de la Cristiandad histórica es simplemente impensable».

La ascendencia hispana de Nikolas Cruz, el autor de la matanza de ayer en Florida, dio pie a que los indigenistas hispanófobos atribuyesen el crimen a sus "genes marrones". Previamente habían intentado hacer la típica bromita de "claro, claro, será de religión budista...". Una cosa bastante absurda ya que estas matanzas estudiantiles las cometen casi siempre blancos. Pero además hoy se ha sabido que el tal Nikolas Cruz era un fanático de las armas y estaba en contacto con "Republic of Florida", un grupo supremacista blanco.

Con la gorrita trumpista en su perfil de Instagram:





https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/nikol...at-republican/

"Republic of Florida", a favor de un etnoestado blanco:





White Nationalist Group Targets Tallahassee | News | wtxl.com

¿Cuántas matanzas van ya de esta gente? Las ideas tienen consecuencias.

Obsérvese también el tratamiento diferenciado: 1) no se les considera terroristas y no cuentan en ninguna estadística; 2) son detenidos exquisitamente en lugar de tiroteados hasta la muerte.

«The Republic of Florida» es un grupo nacionalista blanco, secesionist y paramilitar asentada en el Estado de Florida. Este grupo se consideraba así mismo dentro de las corrientes de la «Alt Right» basado en los movimientos nacionalistas blancos «identitarios» europeos.

Yo creo que hemos de destacar varias cosas:

1. Hay una polarización política en los Estados Unidos de América que interesa a ciertos elementos políticos establecidos en tal país, observamos como las las juventudes tienden a ser «marxistas» [y pongo marxistas entre comillas pues llanamente son burgueses que no han leído el pensamiento marxista y que son llanamente liberales] o estar en la denominada «Alt-Right» [y todas las corrientes dentro de este]. Esta polarización se puede apreciar en las universidades en las que los «progresistas» han querido implantar sus demoníacas [no merece otro calificativo] ideas a través de actos radicalmente deleznables recurriendo inclusive a la violencia física hacia sujetos que discrepasen contra tales ideas [y no hablamos de fascistas ni mucho menos, hablamos de sujetos liberales dentro de la corriente de la «Alt-Right» lo cual es preocupante].

Vemos como esto tipo de casos [véase el suceso del agosto del 2017 en Charlottesville, Virginia] están en alza y ya es común ver esto tipo de movilizaciones:



2. Parece algo ya anecdótico o que ha quedado relegado a los libros de historia pero el KKK tras la victoria de Donald Trump en las pasadas elecciones presidenciales ha tenido una «resurrección» que ha provocado de nuevo una gran actividad de este en las áreas en las que predominaban en antaño. He aquí un artículo del NYT al respecto que considero de interés:

The Confederate flag resurged. The KKK burned a cross. Racial tensions flared in a Southern town.
ASHEBORO, N.C. — The first unpleasant tug of history came before the election, when the yards around Dexter Trogdon Jr.'s house started blooming with Confederate flags. Then last spring, the Ku Klux Klan announced plans to burn a cross in town. A man apparently irked with his black neighbors hung a noose in his yard, and Trogdon started hearing a disturbing new view from some white people: that slavery wasn't so bad for African Americans.
The 49-year-old bail bondsman knew racial division would be part of the picture when he moved back to this rural, majority-white town where he grew up. But there was one factor he did not expect: the presidential election.
"We were actually getting better," said Trogdon, picking at his egg whites and fruit at David's Restaurant, a throwback diner here, noting that the city had been making strides toward improving race relations — until a year ago, when racism and bigotry seemed to rush out of the woodwork, especially here, in the South. "That stuff came to a halt. . . . If you live here, you can feel it. It's just the way people treat you every day."
More than a year after President Trump took office, many people of color are coming to terms with what his presidency has exposed, and what it has wrought, on matters of race.
Some white supremacists and white nationalists have seen the administration's first year as emboldening, leading them to hold rallies such as the deadly August gathering of Trump-supporting neo-Nazis in Charlottesville or those in Portland, Ore., that preceded a fatal commuter train attack by a white man who was spouting anti-Muslim hatred at minority passengers.
For many people of color, the effect also has appeared in more subtle ways, insinuating itself into everyday interactions with whites.
"It really does make you wonder about people, about everybody," said Donald Matthews, president of the NAACP here in Randolph County. "The mind-set of some of these good old boys who live here — Trump actually opened the door for them to express openly how they feel."
The issue erupted again last month, when Trump expressed his preference for immigrants from places such as Norway rather than Haiti, El Salvador or African nations, which he disparaged. It was the latest, and perhaps most crude, in a long line of actions and remarks that his critics see as evidence of racism.

For his supporters, it is simply Trump rejecting "political correctness" and showing a desire to revive American greatness. Many of his backers say that Trump is no more to blame for stirring up racial tensions than was President Barack Obama.


"He's a guy who does not have a filter and says what's on his mind," said Mike Jones, 63, a Trump supporter and owner of Mike's Chicago Dog, a hot-dog joint in Asheboro. Jones, who is white, believes that Obama widened racial divides with his "rush to judgment" in the case of Trayvon Martin, the Florida teen who was killed in a confrontation with a neighborhood watch volunteer in 2012, and in instances of police shootings of African Americans.


A changing home town
Racial relations have soured in recent years in this county of 140,000 people scattered with crumbling textile and furniture mills. The Republican stronghold overwhelmingly supported Trump in the election.

Last spring, a Ku Klux Klan group that celebrated Trump's victory announced it would hold a cross-burning in Asheboro. After an outcry from city officials, the group moved the event to private property nearby. In the summer, a man was arrested for posting racist signs and hanging a noose in his yard — allegedly to intimidate his black neighbors.

In August, a debate erupted about a Confederate statue that has been a fixture in front of the courthouse since 1911. The local NAACP held a vigil near the monument to honor the protester killed in Charlottesville. Rumors circulated that the demonstrators planned to tear down the statue, leading self-appointed "guardians" of Confederate history to turn up.
The two groups exchanged insults, but the event went on without incident, said Asheboro Mayor David Smith, who is white. But he knows the conflict could have taken a turn like it did in Charlottesville. He thinks Trump has unnecessarily riled people up here and across the nation.

"For everyone who thinks he's doing right stirring the pot, there's someone who thinks he's not," said Smith, who is unaffiliated with a political party but says he supports aspects of Trump's political agenda. "There's a way to accomplish the mission without constantly creating divisiveness."

Growing up in Asheboro, Trogdon was no stranger to racism. His father, Dexter Trogdon Sr., had participated in the lunch counter protests in 1960 that spilled over from nearby Greensboro, and was once arrested demonstrating outside of Hop's Bar-B-Q. Later, Trogdon Sr. became the city's first black police detective. He left the force after suing the department for discrimination, saying it had passed him over for a promotion.

A view of Hop’s Bar-B-Q in downtown Asheboro, where Dexter Trogdon Jr.’s father was arrested in the 1960s during a sit-in. (Andy McMillan/For The Washington Post)

Trogdon Jr. had planned to follow the long line of young people who left Asheboro. He joined the Navy and went on to college in Greensboro, where he studied pre-law. But his then-wife got pregnant, and he dropped out of school. After the marriage dissolved, he moved back to Asheboro and joined his father's bail bond business.

The younger Trogdon was surprised that he liked the community he came home to. Town leaders seemed to be trying to turn the page on race relations. African Americans were elected to the school board and city council. The crowd that turned out for a summer concert series downtown was racially mixed — a sight he thought he would never see. He started scoping out land outside of town where he could build a house for his large family, including his new wife and baby.

[Charlottesville white supremacist rally in August drew attendees from 35 states, study finds ]

But something changed during the presidential campaign in 2016. Trogdon, who had supported Hillary Clinton, struggled to understand how people with whom he grew up and interacted daily could back a presidential candidate he considered racist. Their support continued after Trump took office and seemed to prove his racism further — particularly with the remark that there were "very fine people on both sides" of the Charlottesville white-supremacist rally.

Old classmates started expressing sentiments that made his jaw drop. In one Facebook exchange, Trogdon said, one suggested that slavery could not have been so bad for black people because a few of them fought alongside Confederate soldiers in the Civil War.

"Why," Trogdon thought to himself, "would anyone be idiot enough to defend slavery?"
Trogdon's family members also started running into these notions. One day last fall, Trogdon's 11-year-old stepson, Naheem, had been talking about what he described as "really stupid stuff that's racist" with his friends in the cafeteria before school. A girl butted in: If you have such a problem with racism, go back to Africa, she told him, adding that he was lucky whites brought him to the United States.

In retrospect, Naheem said the girl probably took offense to his references to the Confederate flag. Although many view the flag as racist, some here consider it a proud symbol of their heritage.

That night, the principal called Naheem's mother to apologize and to assure her that the girl would be punished. The principal seemed stricken, recalled Natalie Trogdon, stunned that people could harbor such sentiments in 2017. She found herself in the incredulous position of having to console the white woman.

"It almost sounded like she was crying," Natalie Trogdon said. "I explained to her that unfortunately for the black community, we do experience this from time to time."
Superintendent Heather Vuncannon, who is white, said the school dealt with the problem swiftly.

"We do not tolerate behavior of this type, and we recognized the seriousness of the situation and immediately handled it using our disciplinary policies to the satisfaction of all parties involved," Vuncannon said.


Last straw

The more difficult conversation would happen at home.

Natalie Trogdon, 36, a community college instructor, always had taught her kids about history. But Naheem was confused by what the girl had said. "She said she brought us over here," Natalie Trogdon recalled Naheem telling her. " 'If it wasn't for us, you wouldn't even be here.' "

She struggled to respond in a way that conveyed the unvarnished truth without further degrading her son.
"Yes," she finally said. "Over 400 years ago, thousands and thousands of black people were put on ships and made to come to America. Stolen. Tricked. But this has been many, many, many years ago. And black people in America came from everywhere, in many different ways."

It was the last straw for Dexter Trogdon Jr., who is thinking of moving to Cary, a suburb of diverse Raleigh, where he and his family can be less conspicuous. It's affordable enough that he could buy a plot of land for a house, although perhaps not quite as big. And there are lots of places where Trogdon could eat without feeling as if he were being watched, such as P.F. Chang's and Carrabba's Italian Grill.

[A new report says Hispanic identity is fading. Is that really good for America? ]
With its avocado walls and vinyl booths, David's Restaurant in Asheboro takes him back to a time when, as a young black man, the eyes of white diners would swivel his way when he walked in.
"They're always looking at you," Trogdon said. "It's just a mentality that wears you down after awhile."

Sometimes, Dexter and Natalie Trogdon say they should stay in Asheboro, doing their part to improve the town rather than flee it. Dexter Trogdon Jr. has thrown his support behind a candidate for sheriff — a Republican — whom he says has pledged to improve the department's relationship with the African American community.


Both have taken on community service. Natalie has started to home-school her daughter and invited another girl who was recently expelled from high school to join. Dexter is helping to start a community center in the black neighborhood and serves as a local mentor. Occasionally, he says, he bails out black teens from jail using his own money.
But they worry about what will happen to Naheem if he stays here. And then something else happens to convince them a move is the right decision; lately, Dexter's Facebook feed has been full of stories about people being called the n-word.

"I told my wife I'll commute," he said. "I just don't want to lay my head down here."

Dexter Trogdon Jr. is considering a departure from his home town as he grapples with growing racial tensions. (Andy McMillan/For The Washington Post)

Aclarar que las denominadas «tensiones raciales» no es algo nuevo que haya sido producido por la Administración Trump, más bien las «tensiones raciales» están en tal situación por el nefasto manejo de tal situación por la Administración Obama.

3. Añadir que la «Alt-Right» así como distintos medios de bulos han lanzado la consigna de que tal asesino en realidad es un antifascista.

Parece que el asesino no sería de ese grupo titulado "Republic of Florida" y que todo habría sido una estratagema de ese mismo grupo para hacerse publicidad e intoxicar a través de 4chan, según afirma este artículo:

How white nationalists fooled the media about Florida shooter - POLITICO

El líder de ese grupo de la Alt-Right, Jordan Jereb, publica cosas de este tipo en su perfil:


Fuente de la imagen

En fin, que no se sabe nada seguro excepto que están todos para encerrarlos.