Tema: The Irish – more Spanish than Celtic?

Truly the Irish and Hispanic peoples share a common ancestry! I hope you enjoy this fascinating series of videos from Pat Flannery that examines the cultural, economic, and spiritual links between these two great peoples that have together contributed so much to Western Catholic Civilization.





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You know, if the REAL Milesian were to surf these web pages, he might invoke copyright

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You know, if the REAL Milesian were to surf these web pages, he might invoke copyright

I think you will be interested in this information about Alejandro O'Reilly. Here is the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_O%27Reilly

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I think you will be interested in this information about Alejandro O'Reilly. Here is the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_O%27Reilly

Yes, he had an impressive career indeed,
Thanks for the link.

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You know, if the REAL Milesian were to surf these web pages, he might invoke copyright

My apologies for the oversight. I was so fascinated by the content of the sites and so eager to post them on this forum that I didn't study the copyright rules. No malice or disrespect was intended. For future postings from these or other sites I will be sure to invoke copyright.

Erin go Bragh & Viva la Hispanidad

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My apologies for the oversight. I was so fascinated by the content of the sites and so eager to post them on this forum that I didn't study the copyright rules. No malice or disrespect was intended. For future postings from these or other sites I will be sure to invoke copyright.

Erin go Bragh & Viva la Hispanidad

Hehe, no harm done. Just my strange sense of humour

No worries Alejandro! My cousins in Galway, County Clare and Boston have a very similar sense of humor

wow this is amazing!, now I now why there are so many similar things between the north of Spain and Irish and even Scotish, are we all from the same family? LOL

There is unquestionably a connection!
Below are images of Irish and Irish-Americans who could easily pass as Northern Spanish or Portuguese.

This is a very interesting article about the Irish Captain Johnny O’Brien, and his great contribution to the Cuba War of Independence. I was aware of those expeditions, but didn’t know that an Irish Captain was in command of the expeditionary ships.

John Dynamite: Marine Mambí [1]

By José Antonio Quintana García

Translated by David Barnwell

As is known, one of the reasons for the failure of Cuba’s Ten Years’ War against the Spanish colonial power (1868-1878) was the small number of expeditions to land on the Cuban coast with military supplies for the Liberation Army. The Cuban revolutionary leadership in exile was aware of this, and from 24 February 1895, the date on which the independence struggle broke out for a second time, it assigned priority to the task of importing supplies for the revolutionary forces. Efforts were concentrated in the United States and came mainly from among the tobacco workers, though other elements of the Cuban émigre population were involved to a lesser extent. To make the enterprise more effective, an Expeditionary Department was created, with a constitution approved on 2 August 1896. Colonel Emilio Núñez was placed at its head.

Link: http://www.irlandeses.org/0711quintana1.htm

Well, I think there's another question on this matter that needs an answer of anthropology (Valmadian, I don't really know if you have already addressed this subject here in the forum, forgive me if you did). That question is: were the ancient celts so much pale, blond or read headed, as it's commonly said?

Even if they were at the start, I believe that after such a long journey of migration, conquest and settlement, that the celts had probably been through a big deal of morphology changes, apart from the more natural cultural changes. I also believe that the celts of Bretagne could be rather different than the celts from Ireland, for instance.

According to my knowledge of history, no significant iberian presence ever took place in the north-west of the Iberian Peninsula, from where all of my known ancestors were; and yet, I'm as blond as the dark night, as a vast majority of modern galicians and portuguese are. Even considering that the genes responsible for clear eyes and hair are recessive, nothing explains such lack of supposed celtic influence in these peoples modern look... and the same goes for Eire...

We should be careful in our definitions.
"Celtic" is purely a cultural distinction. Even back in classical and pre-historic times, the Celts were likely not one homogenous tribe but rather various peoples linked by a common culture, common language, common society and religious practices. In other words, they were Celtic because they belonged to a Celtic culture.
There is no Celtic morphological type just as there is no Celtic gene.

The Irish and Spanish are genetically very similar. This does not preclude either from being Celtic though.
Not all of Iberia was Celtic but some of it was, just as Ireland was not always Celtic but became some in time.
Being Celtic doesn't mean a tribe called the Celts came and took possession of the land. It meant that people settled who were Celts because they brought Celtic culture with them. That is what makes a people Celtic.

So yes, being Celtic does link Iberian and Hibernia.
But there is more to it than even that. It goes even further back to beyond Celtic societies (although in fact the Irish Q-Celtic language likely arrived from Iberia as opposed to the P-Celtic of the Britons which was likely related to Gaulish). Personally I am proud of my Celtic heritage. But I realise the links most likely reach back to the first modern humans in Europe. The link is an exceedingly ancient one, which has still not wholly faded but lingers on in an appreciation and respect among each of these ancient peoples for the other.

Hm, I have Irish ancestry in part. So does this make me an honorary Spaniard? :P

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We should be careful in our definitions.
"Celtic" is purely a cultural distinction. Even back in classical and pre-historic times, the Celts were likely not one homogenous tribe but rather various peoples linked by a common culture, common language, common society and religious practices. In other words, they were Celtic because they belonged to a Celtic culture.
There is no Celtic morphological type just as there is no Celtic gene.

It makes perfect sense to me now. Thank you for putting it so clearly.

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Hm, I have Irish ancestry in part. So does this make me an honorary Spaniard? :P

These days, to be an honorary spaniard (or an honorary portuguese for that matter) it's quite enough if you are a true catholic. For unbelievable it may seem, we're lacking them here...

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It makes perfect sense to me now. Thank you for putting it so clearly.

Go ndéana a mhaith duit

"These days, to be an honorary spaniard (or an honorary portuguese for that matter) it's quite enough if you are a true catholic. For unbelievable it may seem, we're lacking them here..."

I was raised as a Protestant (Methodist) in New York State in the U.S.A. I an Anglo Americano, not a Hispano...

But, I met.... someone from Andalusia, who made me interested in true Catholicism. Tradismo? Prior to this, I just thought of Catholicism as little better than Methodism (a joke) in the U.S.A.

Now, I'm also interested in the language, history, and culture of Espana.. Especially how it pertains to the U.S.A.