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It is a known fact that the Chinese believed the Earth was flat and the Jesuits had a hard time convincing them that it was spherical. And this was two centuries after Zheng He's suppossed voyages. The Chinese also brag about having many milleniums or recorded history, and yet no evidence has been provided so far as far as Chinese documents are concerned.

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It is a known fact that the Chinese believed the Earth was flat and the Jesuits had a hard time convincing them that it was spherical. And this was two centuries after Zheng He's suppossed voyages. The Chinese also brag about having many milleniums or recorded history, and yet no evidence has been provided so far as far as Chinese documents are concerned.

The oldest examples of Chinese literature come from the beginnings of the Zhou Dynasty, circa 1,000bce. The Chinese script developed from this:

Oracle bone script - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shang Dynasty, which preceeded the Zhou Dynasty, is semi-legendary.

Hm, Jesuits in China circa the 12th/13th century? Would that've been due to the communications between Pope Gregory X and Kublai Khan?

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Hm, Jesuits in China circa the 12th/13th century? Would that've been due to the communications between Pope Gregory X and Kublai Khan?

That seems likely.


"In his book, Il Milione, Marco explains how Kubilai officially received the Polos and sent them back — with a Mongol named Koeketei as an ambassador to the Pope.. They brought with them a letter from the Khan requesting educated people to come and teach Christianity and Western customs to his people, and the paiza, a golden tablet a foot long and three inches wide, authorizing the holder to require and obtain lodging, horses and food throughout the Great Khan's dominion. Koeketei left in the middle of the journey, leaving the Polos to travel alone to Ayas in the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia. From that port city, they sailed to Saint Jean d'Acre, capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem."

"The long sede vacante — between the death of Pope Clement IV, in 1268, , and the election of Pope Gregory X, in 1271— prevented the Polos from fulfilling Kublai’s request. As suggested by Theobald Visconti, papal legate for the realm of Egypt, in Acres for the Ninth Crusade, the two brothers returned to Venice in 1269 or 1270, waiting for the nomination of the new Pope."

Carrying the Pope's Response to Kublai Khan (1271) : From Cave Paintings to the Internet

Okay, back on topic. Maybe we can split the thread.

Jesuits in the 12th or 13th century? No way! Saint Ignatius, the founder of the Jesuits, lived in the 15th century. I said two centuries after Zheng He's supposed voyages, that is, in the 16th century, at the time of Matteo Ricci. But in the 12th and 13th there were Franciscan missionaries and emissaries to China, such as Giovanni da Pian del Carpine.

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Jesuits in the 12th or 13th century? No way! Saint Ignatius, the founder of the Jesuits, lived in the 15th century. I said two centuries after Zheng He's supposed voyages, that is, in the 16th century, at the time of Matteo Ricci. But in the 12th and 13th there were Franciscan missionaries and emissaries to China, such as Giovanni da Pian del Carpine.

Doh, I misread your post! I suppose that happens when you're multitasking between a forum and writing an essay for one of your law classes.

Matteo Ricci, I'm aware of him; he's responsible for introducing the writings of the Confucians to Europe I do believe. In addition to being in China the Jesuits were also active in Japan at about the same time.

Franciscans, Jesuits.. Was it a common practice for Spanish and Portuguese explorers to travel with members of one of the monastic orders?

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Franciscans, Jesuits.. Was it a common practice for Spanish and Portuguese explorers to travel with members of one of the monastic orders?

Yes, that way we evangelized the world.

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Yes, that way we evangelized the world.

We as in Catholics? The Spanish?

Located in New York State, where I reside. The natives were converted by the French, but the first Catholic casualties were a couple of Jesuits and some Mohawk converts:

Shrine of Our Lady of Martyrs

The Spanish and the Portuguese. Mainly us, since we conquered much of the world, but the French also evangelized in Canada and no doubt in parts of present day U.S. adjoining Canada.

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The Spanish and the Portuguese. Mainly us, since we conquered much of the world, but the French also evangelized in Canada and no doubt in parts of present day U.S. adjoining Canada.

There're a few thousand Acadians in Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine iirc.